OT: MLB Thread XXIX: Marcus Stroman is a.....Met???

[romba]

I heard the Mets asked for Torres and 17 prospects.

I was told that that is the standard asking price for all teams for all trades, so nothing to see here. You negotiate by starting in a different galaxy and then after a few million years traveling at light speed you might be on the same page. GMing 101.

 

[JimmyG89]

they don't do business with division rivals or the Yankees

We're not rivals.

But, are you the Yankees?

 

[Machinehead]

Classic Cashman, ignoring a weakness to add to a strength.

 

[Machinehead]

But, are you the Yankees?

The Yankees and the Mets are not rivals.

Apparently only the Mets think they are.

 

[JimmyG89]

The Yankees and the Mets are not rivals.

Apparently only the Mets think they are.

None of that really matters. Thing is they don't make moves with the Yankees. It's something they don't do. I would be all for Wheeler going to the Yankees and the Mets getting a couple of prospects that we could use for the future or ammo in the offseason. They'll end up sending him to the Rays or the Astros and get a similar deal.

 

[sbjnyc]

A non-rival team wants four pieces for Ray and sources are still unsure if the Mets would deal with us after they dealt with Philly.

Can we now put to rest the notion that the Yankees tax is made up?

Are you really complaining that the yanks didn't get Vargas??

 

[Machinehead]

None of that really matters. Thing is they don't make moves with the Yankees. It's something they don't do. I would be all for Wheeler going to the Yankees and the Mets getting a couple of prospects that we could use for the future or ammo in the offseason. They'll end up sending him to the Rays or the Astros and get a similar deal.

If the Yankees aren't rivals and they don't make moves with the Yankees, then it's a Yankees tax.

 

[nyr2k2]

We're not rivals.

Backpage rivals and rivals in the minds of the Wilpons.

 

[RGY]

I mean...

Have you seen Shane Greene’s numbers? Me thinks you havent

 

[Machinehead]

Are you really complaining that the yanks didn't get Vargas??

Not really. The issue I have is about more than one player, and more then about just the Mets.

 

[Machinehead]

Backpage rivals and rivals in the minds of the Wilpons.

So only the Mets owners think it's a rivalry. Then it's a Yankees tax.

 

[nyr2k2]

If the Yankees aren't rivals and they don't make moves with the Yankees, then it's a Yankees tax.

Okay, the Mets have a Yankees tax. You win! So does the AL East. Outside that? No.

 

[East Coast Bias]

If the Yankees aren't rivals and they don't make moves with the Yankees, then it's a Yankees tax.

But the Mets suck and overrate their prospects. So what does it matter.

There's 28 other teams with great players to deal with.

 

[JimmyG89]

If the Yankees aren't rivals and they don't make moves with the Yankees, then it's a Yankees tax.

Here's the thing, they aren't asking for MORE from the Yankees, they just don't make deals at all. There is no tax if there is no trade that gets made at any time.

 

[Machinehead]

Have you seen Shane Greene’s numbers? Me thinks you havent

Our entire bullpen is guys who were excellent closers elsewhere. It adds nothing to our arsenal.

 

[Machinehead]

Okay, the Mets have a Yankees tax. You win! So does the AL East. Outside that? No.

Pittsburgh for literally no reason.

 

[One Winged Angel]

What did the Diamondbacks ask for from other teams for Ray? Did they ask the Yankees for Frazier + 3, then reduce their ask, then still find there was no deal? Did they hold firm? Was the initial ask from other teams something less? None of this is known. This is what I was talking about earlier--you guys see the initial ask from the Yanks, assume only the Yankees were being asked for something crazy, and then when the final deal comes through act slighted.

That says ask, not initial ask. There’s nothing about anything after that. Ask Heyman if you really want to know. Also considering that Nightengale said the talks were dead, I’d have to imagine there wasn’t a reduction or willingness to meet in the middle, because as quickly as the talks were reported, it was reported that they died. But I imagine you’ll spin that someway.

As far as the Mets--they don't do business with division rivals or the Yankees. They just traded a not totally insignificant piece to Philly when they are chasing Philly. Ergo, it's fair to wonder if they will now do business with the Yankees. This isn't a "Yankees tax" issue with the Mets, it's a "The Mets are always afraid of being burned by rivals" issue.

The Yankees aren’t rivals. The only people who believe in that are the Mets and their fans.

Inferiority complex strikes again.

 

[romba]

So only the Mets owners think it's a rivalry. Then it's a Yankees tax.

I think Mets fans would be more willing to listen to your argument if you put it as follows: The Mets care a shit ton about PR (go figure) and so they add a tax when trading with all teams they share a city with. The Mets are unique trade partners with the Yankees. Mets have an excuse which I can forgive them for, other teams don't.

 

[Machinehead]

Here's the thing, they aren't asking for MORE from the Yankees, they just don't make deals at all. There is no tax if there is no trade that gets made at any time.

So then it's a Yankees embargo. That's worse.

 

[One Winged Angel]

Okay, the Mets have a Yankees tax. You win! So does the AL East. Outside that? No.

Apparently the Pirates did. Apparently Arizona does. Frazier and 3 prospects for Robbie Ray?

Now you’re just being childish.

 

[nyr2k2]

Pittsburgh for literally no reason.

Based on...one deal? Yes, clearly Pittsburgh has a Yankees tax, and didn't just do a bad job negotiating a deal. Come on. This is so silly.

 

[Machinehead]

I think MEts fans wuld be more willing to listen if you put it as follows: The Mets care a **** ton about PR (go figure) and so they add a tax when trading with all teams they share a city with.

So then...it's a Yankees tax?

We've pretty much admitted that it's a thing.

 

[Thirty One]

Apparently the Pirates did. Apparently Arizona does. Frazier and 3 prospects for Robbie Ray?

Now you’re just being childish.

What are they asking from other teams?

 

[One Winged Angel]

So then it's a Yankees embargo. That's worse.

Collusion is the word you’re looking for.

 

[One Winged Angel]

What are they asking from other teams?

We’ll find out soon enough.