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Sure would look nice for the Yankees at 1st base
I suppose you prefer the ghost of Greg Bird.
I don't even hate the Yankees, not even a little. It's fans like you that make people hate them, though.
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Sure would look nice for the Yankees at 1st base
I suppose you prefer the ghost of Greg Bird.
I don't even hate the Yankees, not even a little. It's fans like you that make people hate them, though.
If that actually happened, its because the Mets didn't have a ton to give up.
Their farm is below average, especially compared to the ones attached to the teams the Yankees actually ended up dealing with...
Unless they were hot after Ivan Nova.
Pavel Buchnevich
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I find this type of viewpoint to be so stupid.
Unless you have the worst farm at a specific time and its like a historically bad farm system, why would a team refuse a trade because its not the best farm system? You can find fair trade value within just about any system, unless its trading for an MVP candidate.
And also, where are you getting this from that we have a bad farm system? I don't think I've seen one rankings that had us extremely low. The range I saw reading a bunch of different publications was 7 the highest, 20 the lowest. Thats pretty much like an average farm system.
Because the chips available will be different.
Look at who they got back for the guys they dealt last year. Those guys either don't exist within the Mets system or would have been non starters in any conversation.
And 20th would be below average. Who ever had them at 7th is on the pipe.
Pavel Buchnevich
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I don't think the level of pieces would depend on how good or bad their farm system is. Fair value is fair value, whether its your 3rd best prospect or 8th best prospect.
Machinehead
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Donaldson has more RBI's against the Yankees this year than not against the Yankees.
I would just ****ing hit the *******.
I would just ****ing hit the *******.
Thats kind of the point I was making.
Mets didn't have the chips to get those players unless they were hot after Ivan Nova. If the Yankees were in deep discussion with other teams (who did have those pieces) why would they even bother with the Mets (who didn't)?
Perhaps they called on other players, but its not like the yankees were fielding offers for everyone - They moved the guys who they were expected to move.
The kid the Mets got, Ryder Ryan, has an interesting story. From what I read, there were rumors his draft year that he may go inside the fifth round but he was considered a hard sign and dropped to the later rounds. Cleveland took him as a pitcher even though he only pitched a single inning in college, playing the rest at 3B. He can run it up to the high-90s as well. Obviously not a high-profile prospect but one with some upside that looks like he could have a career in the back of a bullpen.
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The Mets front office is the one who sounds salty. They sound like a bunch of cry babies.
And to complain the yankees didnt field their calls last year? Like cmon. The Mets farm is nothing to write home about. The Yankees got better prospects from other organizations.
Not losing sleep over not getting Bruce thats for sure
And to complain the yankees didnt field their calls last year? Like cmon. The Mets farm is nothing to write home about. The Yankees got better prospects from other organizations.
Not losing sleep over not getting Bruce thats for sure
Pavel Buchnevich
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Of course we would. The Mets have the pieces to get any player on your team we would want to. There are very few players in the majors who we wouldn't have the pieces to get, maybe like Trout and Kershaw, thats probably it. Those players you probably couldn't even get in a trade, so thats pretty much my point. Nearly any team could trade for nearly every player.
You are telling me that we couldn't have gotten Chapman if we offered Rosario? Smith's another top 50 prospect, we could've offered two first round picks from that previous draft, another few guys who are top 100 on some lists. Our farm really isn't what you are claiming, its okay. When you have a consensus top 5 prospect in your farm, you are not going to be one of the few worst, unless you have like 0 major leaguers for the rest of your players, and thats not the case for us. Most of our best minor league pieces are just a little further from the majors, we have tons of quality in low A, rookie ball, etc. And our farm has been decent of late, the Mets do a good job of developing players. It'll be a little worse with our two best prospects graduating and we did give up some higher level pieces the last few years, but there is definitely talent within our farm system.
Nearly any team could put together some fair value package for almost any player on any team including mostly prospects, some teams are just better equipped to do so than others. We might've decimated our farm more than a team with the #1 farm, but that doesn't mean we don't have the players to trade for whoever we would've wanted to. If we would've offered slightly more for Chapman than the Cubs, you guys would've accepted, whether Cashman liked our farm or not, unless you guys refused to trade to a team playing in NY.
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Machinehead
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Judge has now spent about as much time as a bum in MLB as he has an elite player.
Starting to wonder if his first half was really anything of substance.
Starting to wonder if his first half was really anything of substance.
He'll be fine most likely. However, he's not the .330 average hitter you saw in the 1st half, lol.
If he can be a .270-.280 hitter with 40-45 home runs year in and year out, that's still an elite player.
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He's a legitimate star. I don't think he's going to be a perennial 8-10 WAR player like Mike Trout though. Probably more in the 7 WAR range, which is still tremendous. There's also a matter of how his fielding will hold up over time since he's such a big guy. An awesome athlete but I wouldn't be surprised to see some deterioration there within the next few seasons.
It sounded like there's some serious bad blood between the two organizations right now. Puma tweeting out that guy saying "if they gave us something of ----ing value we'd have made a deal" and then someone else from the Mets speculating the Yankees simply used medicals as an excuse to back out of the Walker deal once they acquired Gray
I think both sides are so hesitant to make deals with one another because of the fan outcry if they get the worse end of it.
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