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OT: MLB Thread - Part XVI: Come On. Do Something.

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Lundsanity30 said:
How are they losing patience? Kahlne is cost controlled til 2021, Robertson is signed through next season, we lost one top prospect in that deal.

In this rumored gray deal, we would lose Mateo or florial, but we would be gaining a 27 year old cost controlled pitcher that helps beyond just this year.

Yankees farm is so deep that two moves are not going to kill it, they have talent on top of talent, their lower levels have a lot of talent as well, guys who aren't known, but before this year, Florial wasn't exactly either.
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like i said to attached and b u t t h urt when prospects are traded. trading a guy like florial is like trading a guy like graves. hes stuck because of depth

hell even mateo is stuck behind Didi. hell hes behind gleybar. Im just glad cashman deemed torres frazier adams and sheffield untouchable
 
“It takes some time to kind of stack the systems against each other,” Jim Callis, a prospect expert with MLB Pipeline, said by phone. “I still think there’s no question the Yankees have a top-three farm system in baseball, along with the Braves and White Sox, whatever order you want to put them.

“I don’t think there’s even question the Yankees definitely have the deepest farm system. I do our Yankees top-30 prospect list, and I’m not saying this with any sense of hyperbole: I can easily rank 40 or 45 Yankees who belong on most top-30 lists. Their farm system is ridiculous. If you stretch the definition to include guys I kind of like and can see them making the top-30 list some day, you might be able to pull that number up to 50 or 60.”
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This is Callis' thoughts, even after the Rutherford trade.
 
Blueblood9 said:
like i said to attached and b u t t h urt when prospects are traded. trading a guy like florial is like trading a guy like graves. hes stuck because of depth

hell even mateo is stuck behind Didi. hell hes behind gleybar. Im just glad cashman deemed torres frazier adams and sheffield untouchable
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Lol no.

Florial is one of the few legitimate 5 tool prospects in all of baseball (and his tools have more than flashed this year, hes put them on display regularly.) Graves isn't a top 100 prospect in the sport, Florial is and will only move up the ranks as all the lists get updated.

Whats hilarious is how some are okay with just throwing these guys into trades like they're organizational fillers as a return for good, not great talent. If you keep doing that, when a great talent does become available, you'll be crying about how the Yankees traded the wrong guys.

Personally, I'd move Adams before Florial every day of the week.
 
Geoff Gorden said:
Lol no.

Florial is one of the few legitimate 5 tool prospects in all of baseball (and his tools have more than flashed this year, hes put them on display regularly.) Graves isn't a top 100 prospect in the sport, Florial is and will only move up the ranks as all the lists get updated.

Whats hilarious is how some are okay with just throwing these guys into trades like they're organizational fillers as a return for good, not great talent. If you keep doing that, when a great talent does become available, you'll be crying about how the Yankees traded the wrong guys.

Personally, I'd move Adams before Florial every day of the week.
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I'd move Mateo by far before I'd move Adams or Florial.

Not completely enamored with Mateo as a prospect. At the same time, he might become Gary Sanchez part 2. His minor league career so far has almost mirrored Sanchez's.
 
Geoff Gorden said:
Lol no.

Florial is one of the few legitimate 5 tool prospects in all of baseball (and his tools have more than flashed this year, hes put them on display regularly.) Graves isn't a top 100 prospect in the sport, Florial is and will only move up the ranks as all the lists get updated.

Whats hilarious is how some are okay with just throwing these guys into trades like they're organizational fillers as a return for good, not great talent. If you keep doing that, when a great talent does become available, you'll be crying about how the Yankees traded the wrong guys.

Personally, I'd move Adams before Florial every day of the week.
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ok wrong analogy but doesnt change the fact that there is a log jam in the outfield.

and id move florial above adams because staarting pitching is a comodity more then OF and the potential for aadams to be a top of the rotation guy is there.
 
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I have no problem moving one SP for Gray on top of Mateo/Florial if it could allow us to keep one of them, Gray basically replaces that SP we move in the deal.
 
Geoff Gorden said:
Lol no.

Florial is one of the few legitimate 5 tool prospects in all of baseball (and his tools have more than flashed this year, hes put them on display regularly.) Graves isn't a top 100 prospect in the sport, Florial is and will only move up the ranks as all the lists get updated.

Whats hilarious is how some are okay with just throwing these guys into trades like they're organizational fillers as a return for good, not great talent. If you keep doing that, when a great talent does become available, you'll be crying about how the Yankees traded the wrong guys.

Personally, I'd move Adams before Florial every day of the week.
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? according to rumors, Florial or Mateo would be headlining the package, not being a throw in.
 
I'd be fine with Gray if the package were headlined by Mateo. I would not be fine with Gray if the package were headlined by Florial.

You hear "5 tool player" thrown around way to loosely in the baseball world. Florial is one of the few who are worthy of the distinction and he's putting up numbers to go along with it. Even if he never plays a game in the Bronx, I'd rather hold the chip and bank on him improving his contact rate and possibly being the main chip for an even better player a year from now, assuming he doesn't completely blow up and push himself into the untouchable category.
 
Geoff Gorden said:
I'd be fine with Gray if the package were headlined by Mateo. I would not be fine with Gray if the package were headlined by Florial.

You hear "5 tool player" thrown around way to loosely in the baseball world. Florial is one of the few who are worthy of the distinction and he's putting up numbers to go along with it. Even if he never plays a game in the Bronx, I'd rather hold the chip and bank on him improving his contact rate and possibly being the main chip for an even better player a year from now, assuming he doesn't completely blow up and push himself into the untouchable category.
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Agreed.

The only thing that worries me about Florial is that this is the only year that he's put up numbers like this. He was a complete unknown beforehand. Mateo has had a pedigree of being a very good prospect for a decent amount of time now.

However, both left infield and outfield are logjammed for a very long time on the organizational depth chart. Torres is the heir apparent at 3rd and can play a variety of positions. Castro and Didi are the team's now and immediate future and are both still under 30. Mateo is probably the odd man out with the way they have been playing since coming to NY.
 
Well he's 19, it's not like he has a ton of pro track record to go on (Only his 2nd season of full season pro ball.)

The thing is the tools have all been there for him. This year, they've been on display. He doesn't have the pedigree of some other guys so the national publications don't have him ranked as highly as they should (he had grossly outperformed Rutherford on the same team this year while being a bit younger and having louder tools, yet BR is still ranked ahead of him) but if he cuts down on that K rate, he's a top 20 or better guy.

Mind you, most toosly guys don't really start performing this soon, if ever. Hes a ways away, but theres enough there where moving him for Gray would be incredibly dumb.
 
We need a starter for sure. Montgomery and Sevy are gonna exceed their previous career highs in innings and that could be suicide for a young pitcher (esp a hard thrower like Sevy). I'd rather move Gardner for a starter, but can't seem to think of a playoff team that is willing to part with one. Maybe Danny Duffy or Lance Lynn. Royals have gotten nothing out of Moss and Gordon this year.
 
DrRecchi said:
We need a starter for sure. Montgomery and Sevy are gonna exceed their previous career highs in innings and that could be suicide for a young pitcher (esp a hard thrower like Sevy). I'd rather move Gardner for a starter, but can't seem to think of a playoff team that is willing to part with one. Maybe Danny Duffy or Lance Lynn. Royals have gotten nothing out of Moss and Gordon this year.
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A 30% increase for both would put them at 195 (Severino) and 182 (Montgomery.) Severino is at 128, Montgomery 108.

The latter will be fine, but Severino will likely have to be skipped over at least once down the stretch. Plus with the depth in the Pen, you can easily pull Severino a few innings earlier than usual to preserve his arm a bit.

Not that big of an issue. Also the Royals are still in the thick of things, Duffy isn't going anywhere.
 
Geoff Gorden said:
Well he's 19, it's not like he has a ton of pro track record to go on (Only his 2nd season of full season pro ball.)

The thing is the tools have all been there for him. This year, they've been on display. He doesn't have the pedigree of some other guys so the national publications don't have him ranked as highly as they should (he had grossly outperformed Rutherford on the same team this year while being a bit younger and having louder tools, yet BR is still ranked ahead of him) but if he cuts down on that K rate, he's a top 20 or better guy.

Mind you, most toosly guys don't really start performing this soon, if ever. Hes a ways away, but theres enough there where moving him for Gray would be incredibly dumb.
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I agree with you.

Also, Rutherford being ranked higher by Baseball America, MLB.com, etc. has a lot to do with where he was drafted.

I do think that both players possess a ton of potential.
 
The Yankees seem to have made their top four or five prospects off-limits. That is believed to include Clint Frazier (who’s up with the Yanks, and thriving), Gleyber Torres and Justus Sheffield. Estevan Florial is another guy the Yankees prefer not to trade.
 
Monument said:
I agree with you.

Also, Rutherford being ranked higher by Baseball America, MLB.com, etc. has a lot to do with where he was drafted.

I do think that both players possess a ton of potential.
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Florial is better than Rutherford IMO, he will stick at CF and he has more power than Blake has/will IMO.

Florial if he continues doing what he's been doing this year, might end up a top 30 prospect at the start of next years rankings.
 
it almost seems like there's too much smoke on Gray and the Yankees, Cashman usually does not work like that.

The only times you can make a case that you KNEW 100% the Yankees and Cashman wanted were Sabathia and this past off season with Chapman. almost everything else seems to come out of left field (whether good or bad)
 
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