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How do the White Sox manage to get top prospects for everyone?
I wish Sandy would get off his ass and actually make a good trade.
I wish Sandy would get off his ass and actually make a good trade.
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You keep bringing this up like the Yankees received nothing in return. If you haven't noticed, 1 of the 2 big pieces they got back from that trade is playing for them right now and has been pretty damn good.
That doesn't make the trade with the White Sox any less horrible though. They receive 1 controllable piece, a ****ing horrible hitter and a very good veteran reliever who is only signed for another year.
Unless they're looking to pawn off someone else like Betances (I can't see why they would) this is so dumb and as mentioned before, has Randy Levine's fingerprints all over it.
Reed is the only guy they're getting anything big for. We saw in the JD trade tonight that Granderson Bruce and Duda likely aren't getting you much
You keep bringing this up like the Yankees received nothing in return. If you haven't noticed, 1 of the 2 big pieces they got back from that trade is playing for them right now and has been pretty damn good.
That doesn't make the trade with the White Sox any less horrible though. They receive 1 controllable piece, a ****ing horrible hitter and a very good veteran reliever who is only signed for another year.
Unless they're looking to pawn off someone else like Betances (I can't see why they would) this is so dumb and as mentioned before, has Randy Levine's fingerprints all over it.
To me, if the Yankees starting pitching was one of the best in the league at the moment, coupled with their good hitting most of the year, then I probably make a trade like this.
As it stands now, the Yankees starting pitching is still mediocre.
You keep bringing this up like the Yankees received nothing in return. If you haven't noticed, 1 of the 2 big pieces they got back from that trade is playing for them right now and has been pretty damn good.
Nothing laughable about Miller being the best reliever in baseball.
Rutherford was in the same stage (Draft+1 season) as what Frazier was at the time of the Miller trade last year. Except we get Kahnle, a pitcher with a lesser track record. Robertson and T.Frazier are meh pieces.
They'll definitely move Betances now. Mainly because of Levine as you mentioned.
If they trade Betances just because of this move, then the Yankees front office has lost their mind, and would make this trade (if it goes through) even more pointless than it already is.
Randy Levine will say something along the line that DRob can close games, hence he's >>> Betances.
Rutherford is not in the same position. Rutherford is draft+1, Frazier was Draft+3 (had just made his AAA debut shortly before being moved.) I can't tell you who will be the better player long term, but proximity to the majors is a thing (plus Frazier has already made it.)
Sheffield was/ is still is a legitimate LH starting pitching prospect. There really is no comparison between the 2 moves. Yankees got the better package of players for the better reliever.
Robertson isn't a meh piece either, check the numbers. Todd Frazier however, sucks.
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Rutherford has shown no power this year, maybe they are selling high. Clarkin can't strike anyone out since he got Tommy John, and has been high A for what seems like forever, I don't really think it's that bad of a deal if those two guys fix the pen. Feel like Frazier is just a throw in.
Many guys don't show power til they are 23-24 years old in some cases. Sometimes not even til they're in the majors. Chipper Jones had very unimpressive power numbers as a minor leaguer
People who are crying about this are thinking too long term and big picture without understanding it.
Rutherford is a nice prospect but Frazier-Fowler-Judge are all blocking him. Hicks is still here too. And there is the competition to at the lower levels for Rutherford with Florial. Not to mention Wade being able to play the OF.
Robertson is an incredible add to the bullpen. He is insurance if Chapman cant get it together consistently. He pushes Betances down to the 7th. Then Warren and Kahnle. That is as good as it gets. Shreve has been good this year.
And I am not throwing away this season on Todd Frazier. He can still stick. You add him into the mix and this lineup is all the sudden incredibly deep.
Gardner CF
Castro 2B
Judge RF
Holliday DH
Sanchez C
Didi SS
T. Frazier 1B
Headley 3B
C. Frazier LF
Ellsbury
Torreyes
Romine
Cooper
(Hicks)
They need to give Chance Adams a chance and look into a proven starter as well.
They can win this division
Rutherford is a nice prospect but Frazier-Fowler-Judge are all blocking him. Hicks is still here too. And there is the competition to at the lower levels for Rutherford with Florial. Not to mention Wade being able to play the OF.
Robertson is an incredible add to the bullpen. He is insurance if Chapman cant get it together consistently. He pushes Betances down to the 7th. Then Warren and Kahnle. That is as good as it gets. Shreve has been good this year.
And I am not throwing away this season on Todd Frazier. He can still stick. You add him into the mix and this lineup is all the sudden incredibly deep.
Gardner CF
Castro 2B
Judge RF
Holliday DH
Sanchez C
Didi SS
T. Frazier 1B
Headley 3B
C. Frazier LF
Ellsbury
Torreyes
Romine
Cooper
(Hicks)
They need to give Chance Adams a chance and look into a proven starter as well.
They can win this division
After his injury, who knows if Fowler will even be the same (at least defensively). Not going to block anybody right now.
Hicks is likely good as a 4th outfielder, not a starter.
Wade is more an infielder, not an outfielder.
Rutherford was a steal where they drafted him, a Yankees fan growing up, and they included him in this trade *rolls eyes*
And Todd Frazier is a rich mans Chris Carter with better defense.
Like I said, this wasn't the year to make any trades. Either sell off, or stay pat.
The list of guys who don't grown into their power is MUCH longer than the guys who do.
That being said, it was never Rutherford's calling card and this trade is still stupid and will still continue to be stupid even if he completely busts.
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All of those guys ahead of him don't matter, he carries a ton of value today. The issue isn't with Rutherford being traded, its with what hes being traded for.
Plus it makes no sense from a timing perspective. 2 years down the line or maybe even next year if they look like they're on the verge of making a serious run and have even more depth in the minors, its a move that while not optimal, is one that can be lived with.
This move doesn't even make this team a lock for the 2nd wildcard. They just started Luis Cessa for ****s sake
Fowler not making it back from his injury is just as much likely as Rutherford not panning out.
Who are you to call Hicks, 26-27 years old, a 4th OF? He was having a helluva season and this team's slump coincided with when Hicks went down.
You dont keep players just because they grew up a fan of the team, thats absurd. Shouldnt even be mentioned.
And if Fowler/Hicks/Frazier all dont work out, which is highly unlikely, they will have the money available for Harper
Every trade is a gamble. I dont mind the move. A lot of this teams woes and this slump over the last 30 games has been induced by a pathetic effort by the bullpen (which is continuing as i speak with Betances on the mound in the 8th).
They have 18 blown saves this year. EIGHTEEN. If they had Robertson and Kahnle during these past 30 games they would easily have 5 more wins and still be in 1st.
Not good enough to win the 2nd WC spot? Gimme a break
They have 18 blown saves this year. EIGHTEEN. If they had Robertson and Kahnle during these past 30 games they would easily have 5 more wins and still be in 1st.
Not good enough to win the 2nd WC spot? Gimme a break
Okay, even if this trade helps improve/stabilize the bullpen and make it elite again (which I can even agree with), that still doesn't change the fact that this starting pitching is not good enough to win a championship.
The Yankees should have tried to include Mateo instead of Rutherford. Wouldn't be hating this trade as much if that happened.
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Are those guys going to pitch the 8th and 9th innings? Because that where this team's problems have been incase you haven't been paying attention. Green and Warren have been excellent. This was a massive panic move to address something that would have sorted it self out with a bit of patience IMO. Do they have excellent bullpen depth now? Yup but...
It doesn't matter how good your bullpen is when you have Cessa and Mitchell starting games for you. I'm sure Adams will get a look this year but he's walked the ****ing universe in the minors despite not giving up a bunch of hits, that won't fly at this level.
Every trade is a gamble, this was a dumb one made at a time when it shouldn't have been. This team is not going to win a world series this year and will be lucky to even get into a 5 game series.
People are claiming the timing is odd.
The timing is genius. We just got out of the ASB and split with Boston. Shouldve won 3 out of 4. And this with Castro and Holliday making their way back. CC getting more time under his belt being back. Losing Pineda hurt but they can survive it.
The point is making this deal now leaves them 12 days to figure out what they want to do for how to address the SP. I would like to give Chance Adams a shot. Its his time. See what the market looks like. What would it take for a guy like Gray or Cole. What about secondary arms?
Tanaka
Severino
CC
Montgomery
???
Cessa/Mitchell/Green -Long man
Shreve
Warren
Kahnle
Betances
Robertson
Chapman
As I have stated Robertson will take over the 8th and act as insurance if Chapman cant get it together. So yeah..the 8th and 9th combo would be different.
I mean since you know it all and this team is absolutely not going to make any noise this year, we should all just not bother watching the rest of the way.
We'll see how this shakes out over the next two months
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I hate losing Rutherford, but relievers are going for a ton these days (see Miller, see Chapman), and Kahlne has been outstanding this season (and he's under control til 2021), I would have rathered trade Blake for a SP (maybe Cash tried and couldn't?), but the value is pretty fair I think based on what relievers are going for, and we got 2 quality ones both signed through next year and one under control for 4 years
As far as the Miller trade goes, the Yankees weren't anywhere near contending with him and his value to them was never going to be higher, they likely got their full time future LF in the trade as well as a pretty good pitching prospect, had to move him.
Yankees aren't going away from what they said they were planning.
Also, as much as I liked Blake, I happen to like Estevan Florial just as much.. Yankees still already at the MLB level have Gardner, Hicks, Judge, and Frazier with Florial coming..
There's also that Bryce Harper guy after next season...
As far as the Miller trade goes, the Yankees weren't anywhere near contending with him and his value to them was never going to be higher, they likely got their full time future LF in the trade as well as a pretty good pitching prospect, had to move him.
Yankees aren't going away from what they said they were planning.
Also, as much as I liked Blake, I happen to like Estevan Florial just as much.. Yankees still already at the MLB level have Gardner, Hicks, Judge, and Frazier with Florial coming..
There's also that Bryce Harper guy after next season...
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Not exactly true, Clippard has been the culprit for the majority of the blown Yankee losses, Chapman/Betances have had a few yes, but its been mostly Clippard who couldn't hold the lead or gave up the tie game, etc.
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It's funny. fans here are talking about Robertson, when Kalhne is actually the best player in the trade, guy has been FILTHY this season, completely dominant, 7 walks, 60K's in 38 innings.
I dont think people realize how good Kahlne has been and if he can keep it up, the Yankees made out pretty good with him being under control for 4 years.
I dont think people realize how good Kahlne has been and if he can keep it up, the Yankees made out pretty good with him being under control for 4 years.
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