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OT: MLB Discussion Thread: Part XXV

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JCProdigy said:
Oh no doubt the timing wasn't the best on Sale but they weren't rebuilding when Scherzer was available. They also weren't rebuilding when they were outbidded for Moncada by Boston. I'm just saying that the top end rotation arms that are now pitching on the elite teams (Lets add Cole) are already accounted for. The Yanks could go after Kluber but?!?! Had to likely "settle" for Paxton because they used their bullets on the Ghost of Sonny Gray.

DJ LeMaheiu isn't the worst signing in the world but man the optics are pretty bad when your spending 24 mil on him over two years and he's an oppo hitting GB hitter where at Yankee stadium, that profiles out as a bad thing due to a small right field.

On Corbin, I wasn't hot on him but it's weird that they passed on him because they didn't want to go the sixth year...where he will be one year younger than JA Happ is right now.

I'll relate my feelings this way. I'm usually a very optimistic person regarding my sports teams (including the Rangers)...but man, I can't help but feel we're gonna be looking back on the Yankees 5-6 years from now and feeling about them the same as how we feel about the 2010-2016 Rangers teams. As in, close but not close enough.
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They should have gotten Cole, but the Pirates were dead set on Torres/Andujar and then traded him to Houston for two guys they got out of the crowd. I hope we beat the Pirates every game we ever play against them again for that.

The one that stings is Verlander. If we get him instead of Houston, we probably win the WS in 2017. Instead, we went for Gray. That's absolutely a mistake.
 
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Also, a little perspective: the Yankees have a bonafide, ultra-elite talent in his mid-20's. They have two other elite talents in their mid-20's and another in his late 20's. Torres probably will be another elite player. The Yankees probably have like 7 kicks at the can.

Have the Rangers had 7 kicks at the can since 1940?

I mean, I'm critical of the Yankees, but it's a whole different realm of criticism. This is still one of the best built teams in pro sports. Most organizations dream of a title. This core is a disappointment if they don't win multiple titles. That should be appreciated.
 
Machinehead said:
Also, a little perspective: the Yankees have a bonafide, ultra-elite talent in his mid-20's. They have two other elite talents in their mid-20's and another in his late 20's. Torres probably will be another elite player. The Yankees probably have like 7 kicks at the can.

Have the Rangers had 7 kicks at the can since 1940?

I mean, I'm critical of the Yankees, but it's a whole different realm of criticism. This is still one of the best built teams in pro sports. Most organizations dream of a title. This core is a disappointment if they don't win multiple titles. That should be appreciated.
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This is all well and good, but when our biggest rival is basically pissing on us in this millennium, it's not good enough. I don't know if you follow the premier league but I have no interest in becoming ManU to the Red Sox Man City.
 
LeetchisGod said:
This is all well and good, but when our biggest rival is basically pissing on us in this millennium, it's not good enough. I don't know if you follow the premier league but I have no interest in becoming ManU to the Red Sox Man City.
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We'll have our time.
 
Machinehead said:
Also, a little perspective: the Yankees have a bonafide, ultra-elite talent in his mid-20's. They have two other elite talents in their mid-20's and another in his late 20's. Torres probably will be another elite player. The Yankees probably have like 7 kicks at the can.

Have the Rangers had 7 kicks at the can since 1940?

I mean, I'm critical of the Yankees, but it's a whole different realm of criticism. This is still one of the best built teams in pro sports. Most organizations dream of a title. This core is a disappointment if they don't win multiple titles. That should be appreciated.
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Man, I'll give you this. You're as optimistic about the Yankees as you are pessimistic about the Rangers :D and I hope you're so right about the former and so wrong about the latter.
 
JCProdigy said:
Man, I'll give you this. You're as optimistic about the Yankees as you are pessimistic about the Rangers :D and I hope you're so right about the former and so wrong about the latter.
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Oh believe me, the second they lose to the Orioles (again) they'll get me right going. And they have their baggage.

I just don't think today's events have been part of that baggage. I'm very happy to see them grab an infielder and attempt to correct some flaws in their offense.
 
JCProdigy said:
Sorry to say. The ship has passed. The Yankees already lost the literal arms race against Boston, Houston and even the Nats (Sale, Verlander, Scherzer). Same ownership/decision makers that "just didn't feel right" about signing Machado, felt the same about signing/trading those three.
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They werent ready to add Sale. It would have cost them Severino and likely Andujar or some of high caliber. They couldve made the trade but the MLB roster wasnt ready to compete. We had a lot of aging veterans who were constantly hurt, because well they were old. ARod and Tex. Jeter retiring. Catching, OF, 2B were all big question marks. Same goes for Scherzer.

Verlander is the only one you can argue. But even then, when he was dealt two years ago, that season he was very average. Wasn’t as dominant and there was concerning he was starting to decline given his age. Didn’t work out oh well.
 
They almost have to play Bird at 1B. They have no lefty f***ing hitters. Lol none. They have a switch hitter in Hicks. They have Gardner who shouldn’t be in the lineup for 75% of the season. Even if they wanted to play Frazier in LF, DH Stanton, Andujar at 3B, and sit DJ its still one more righty bat. Its just crazy.

You look at the 96-01 teams...the lineup was so flexible, lefty-righty-switch up and down the lineup. Of course it helped having Bernie and Posada as switch hitters but still. And if anything the lineup favored two big lefty bats in Tino and O’Neill. Youre playing Yankee Stadium lol play to your strengths.

It is almost why I’d be willing to suffer through Harper playing 1B if it meant getting a legitimate lefty bat in the lineup.

But if youre not going to solve the lefty bat issue, then sign Machado to improve your 3B defense significantly. Trade Andujar in a package for an ace. Have DJ split 1B with Bird. Again DJ has played 2B 97% of his career so I dont just accept the notion he can play anywhere just because he is a great infielder. Bird needs to get his ABs this year. Put him towards the bottom of the lineup.

Another reason why I wanted Machado/Harper was to push Stanton down into the 5 slot to take pressure off of him
 
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So Mets are pretty set , excited to see how it goes

Won’t be surprised If D Smith and D’Arnaud move ... can find a cheap free agent back up C if needed
 
RGY said:
They almost have to play Bird at 1B. They have no lefty ****ing hitters. Lol none. They have a switch hitter in Hicks. They have Gardner who shouldn’t be in the lineup for 75% of the season. Even if they wanted to play Frazier in LF, DH Stanton, Andujar at 3B, and sit DJ its still one more righty bat. Its just crazy.

You look at the 96-01 teams...the lineup was so flexible, lefty-righty-switch up and down the lineup. Of course it helped having Bernie and Posada as switch hitters but still. And if anything the lineup favored two big lefty bats in Tino and O’Neill. Youre playing Yankee Stadium lol play to your strengths.

It is almost why I’d be willing to suffer through Harper playing 1B if it meant getting a legitimate lefty bat in the lineup.

But if youre not going to solve the lefty bat issue, then sign Machado to improve your 3B defense significantly. Trade Andujar in a package for an ace. Have DJ split 1B with Bird. Again DJ has played 2B 97% of his career so I dont just accept the notion he can play anywhere just because he is a great infielder. Bird needs to get his ABs this year. Put him towards the bottom of the lineup.

Another reason why I wanted Machado/Harper was to push Stanton down into the 5 slot to take pressure off of him
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I joked a few pages back but it could work. Trade Andujar in a package for an ace. Sign Machado.

First half of the year:

3B Machado
SS Tulo/Torres (I dont see Tulo being able to play every day and remain effective)
2B Torres/DJ
1B Voit/DJ/Bird

2nd half:

3B Machado
SS Didi
2B Torres
1B whoever performs better of Voit/Bird/DJ.

To keep everyone fresh you can rotate in Tulo and who ever doesn't win the battle for regular 1B.

I still would like to see Ottavino signed.

Then you would have a rotation of Paxton, Servino, traded for pitcher, Tanaka and Happ with CC starting in the pen as the long man/spot starter. When is Montgomery set to come back?
 
A huge part of it is coaching. He is 23 years old and quite honestly in a short period of time he has jumped levels which obviously means jumping coaching staff’s. Add that factor to trying to create repetition with something your being taught to do by one coach and then youre off to another coach. Not every coach preaches the same tendencies even if its the same organization. It is also incredibly difficult to change habits in the midst of a season in which every day your preparing for another game which includes the hitting portion and studying reports. You just cant get it all in. Might have been Marakovitz who mentioned on MLBN, Torres and Andujar were out there early every day working on defense.

And lastly, his defense is even more under the microscope being on the national TV level, with even more video exposure. One thing that seems so obvious is he double clutches. You would think that is easy to fix but bad habits are hard to break. Now with the exposure, and that he has been a machine offensively, you may have more high profile guys, such as ARod, volunteering to help because they see the potential.
 
The Yankees are not perfect, but they're not a dumb organization.

If they really think they can address it, I'll take them at their word and give them a year.

If Andujar gives us another season of piss poor defense, then at that point, you have to address it, either by changing positions or trading him.
 
Machinehead said:
The Yankees are not perfect, but they're not a dumb organization.

If they really think they can address it, I'll take them at their word and give them a year.

If Andujar gives us another season of piss poor defense, then at that point, you have to address it, either by changing positions or trading him.
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I love Andujar, but it's been 7 years and his defense is still beyond abysmal. I'll be happy if he can just get it to at least a BELOW AVERAGE level (assuming he stays at 3B this season that is).
 
Rangerfan4life90 said:
I love Andujar, but it's been 7 years and his defense is still beyond abysmal. I'll be happy if he can just get it to at least a BELOW AVERAGE level (assuming he stays at 3B this season that is).
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If he can just get it to passable, sign me up for the 4.6 oWAR.
 
Something is wrong with the system when only two teams are bidding on two 26 y/o elite players. The current setup favors the owners way too much. They're using the luxury tax as a reason not spend.

Would not mind a lockout.
 
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BroadwayBlues said:
Something is wrong with the system when only two teams are bidding on two 26 y/o elite players. The current setup favors the owners way too much. They're using the luxury tax as a reason not spend.

Would not mind a lockout.
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Player strike! MLB grinds young players into dust (as evidenced by the Murray drama) and now the owners are afraid of spending big money on established players, too. Time to get these wealthy dudes to open up the coffers, and those who won't/can't (the Wilpons...) should have to sell.

MLB stepped up for the Dodgers in the McCourt situation and look at them now. That's the right way to go about this, not silently letting the owners depress wages.
 
BroadwayBlues said:
Something is wrong with the system when only two teams are bidding on two 26 y/o elite players. The current setup favors the owners way too much. They're using the luxury tax as a reason not spend.

Would not mind a lockout.
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I can see this argument when it comes to Machado.

As for Harper, he'll never live up to the contract he's commanding, and I can see why the 28 other teams are noping right on out of there.
 
BroadwayBlues said:
Something is wrong with the system when only two teams are bidding on two 26 y/o elite players. The current setup favors the owners way too much. They're using the luxury tax as a reason not spend.

Would not mind a lockout.
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So you're saying it's a problem if only 2 teams are willing to offer a $300 million 10 year guaranteed contract? Despite the history of these contracts becoming albatrosses and the impact of the current luxury tax?
 


Time for Cashman to swoop in and pounce. The rumored offer is 7/$250 million.

Can Yanks sway him with 7/$215 million, option for 8th year based on incentives? That’s over $30 million per year. Could get him to $245 if he hits performance incentives over the course of the 7 years. Include an opt out after year 3 if you want.
 
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