OT: MLB Discussion Thread: Part XXIV

[BMOK33]

Realmuto is definitely better than Grandal for a few reasons. The guy can actually run fairly well. Something the Mets don’t have at all outside of Rosario right now and he strikes out way less than Grandal does. That said I would probably still just prefer to sign Grandal but I’m wondering if the Mets know something in regards to Grandal which makes them think he’s not signable whether it be he doesn’t want to come here or other teams are going to overpay

 

[SA16]

Defense generally does not improve. Typically when a player enters the league he is at his best defensively and he proceeds to get worse from there on out.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Defense generally does not improve. Typically when a player enters the league he is at his best defensively and he proceeds to get worse from there on out.

Depends on what the issues are.

Range/Arm doesn't really improve, but footwork can and usually does.

 

[sbjnyc]

Do you ever post anything that isn't crapping on the Yankees?

You're basically the Met Equivalent to Cassano.

Hah! I had a real problem with how the Yanks acquired an MVP for basically nothing. Andujar in a crap lineup and as a poor defender in a pitchers ball park makes absolutely no sense for the Marlins. Andujar going to the Mets at least makes some sense even though I don't like it. Andujar has no long term future with the Yankees which is why he is almost always coming up in trade talks. So if Andujar is being suggested as going to the Marlins I have to wonder why.

 

[BMOK33]

Defense generally does not improve. Typically when a player enters the league he is at his best defensively and he proceeds to get worse from there on out.

And considering how bad Alonso is you really can’t afford a guy at 3rd who is terrible. Alonso has basically been compared to the likes of Matt Stairs. The fact that a reliable scout said Alonso’s D will make it seem like Duda is Olerud and Hernandez’s baby is pretty frightening.

I should add though that many scouts said Conforto’s D was bad. To an extent it IS at times but you can clearly tell many of them got fooled by the occasional blunders he makes and didn’t see the very good plays he mixes in frequently

 

[NYR Viper]

Moving Andujar to sign Machado makes sense. Recoup some pitching help and replace the player via FA. I'm not sure Syndergaard is that guy though based on injury concerns?

 

[Machinehead]

Hah! I had a real problem with how the Yanks acquired an MVP for basically nothing. Andujar in a crap lineup and as a poor defender in a pitchers ball park makes absolutely no sense for the Marlins. Andujar going to the Mets at least makes some sense even though I don't like it. Andujar has no long term future with the Yankees which is why he is almost always coming up in trade talks. So if Andujar is being suggested as going to the Marlins I have to wonder why.

The Yankees also acquired one of the worst contracts in baseball. You keep ignoring that part. Jonathan Toews is a future Hall of Famer -- I don't know any team that wants his contract.

It's not true at all that Andujar has no future with the Yankees and that's why he's being shopped. He's being shopped because he's an attractive trade piece and there's a better UFA who plays the same position on the market. The Yankees could easily keep Andujar and they would if Machado wasn't available.

He's going to the Marlins because the Marlins are unloading prime talent, which both the Yankees and Mets need. The Jeter conspiracy theories are tired. They also traded Ozuna and Yelich (the current MVP) and we don't hear anything about that.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

interesting about JTR when i dove into his numbers, he's an extreme reverse splits guy who hits RHP a ton better despite being RHH.

 

[SA16]

No such thing as a reverse splits hitter. It's all sample size/variance.

 

[Machinehead]

No such thing as a reverse splits hitter. It's all sample size/variance.

He's done it for a large sample now.

Although he hit for slightly more power against RHP, Matsui had a higher batting average against LHP over ten MLB seasons.

 

[SA16]

He's done it for a large sample now.

Although he hit for slightly more power against RHP, Matsui had a higher batting average against LHP over ten MLB seasons.

It's 400 PA. Thats not even a full season of at bats. It's not real it's already been proven There will likely not be a single hitter in the league projected with reverse splits this year that includes Adam Jones who is one guy who has shown it for a long time. It is almost always explained by a BABIP difference. Not saying there are ZERO exceptions but 99% of the time it's variance.

There are 3 right handed hitters with a reverse split of 10+ points of wRC+ in the last 10 years with 1000+ PA against both sides. One is the aforementioned Adam Jones. One is Cameron Maybin (looks to be variance his numbers vs both sides are very similar but he has a higher SLG% vs righties while also having a lower hard hit% which doesn't really add up).

And one is Mike Trout who I doubt is actually better vs righties but given he's an all time great I am certainly not going to say he conforms to normal expectations. Additionally in the case of Trout the quality of the average lefty he faces will theoretically be much higher than that of a normal right handed hitter since in any non-blowout mediocre lefty relievers will never be allowed to face him and I doubt he sees mediocre lefty starters a third time through very much.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Hah! I had a real problem with how the Yanks acquired an MVP for basically nothing. Andujar in a crap lineup and as a poor defender in a pitchers ball park makes absolutely no sense for the Marlins. Andujar going to the Mets at least makes some sense even though I don't like it. Andujar has no long term future with the Yankees which is why he is almost always coming up in trade talks. So if Andujar is being suggested as going to the Marlins I have to wonder why.

Their farm director knows him pretty Dann well.

If he goes there, it’s because they want him.

Andujars gap to gap power would play quite well in Miami btw. Dude gets XBH at a very high rate

 

[RGY]

 

[RGY]

Their farm director knows him pretty Dann well.

If he goes there, it’s because they want him.

Andujars gap to gap power would play quite well in Miami btw. Dude gets XBH at a very high rate

It's not that we are so willing to move him. Its that Manny Machado at 26 years old is sitting in free agency, costing only money....coupled with a severe need for a high end SP. The fact that multiple teams are interested in him when it comes to the top SP names out there, speaks to how he is valued throughout the league.

Nor at 23 years old, is this kid done developing his defensive game. Whether that is at 3B or another position, remain to be seen.

 

[Cassano]

I feel Gary would be wasted at DH. His defense will be good enough long term to play catcher. Only reason I'm iffy on the move for Realmuto.

 

[Machinehead]

lol "they have a lot of balls in the air"

 

[Cassano]

 

[RGY]

I feel Gary would be wasted at DH. His defense will be good enough long term to play catcher. Only reason I'm iffy on the move for Realmuto.

I don't think they are seriously considering keeping Realmuto if they were to get him. I do believe they would be a "conduit' as Heyman said to send him to another team as part of a Deal to bring back a top of the rotation starter.

 

[Thirty One]

Very good arm. Almost Machado lite.

Most of his errors were fielding. As I recall.

I remembered it the opposite as you, so I checked. 7 throwing errors and 8 fielding errors.

I don't see him being a good first baseman either with his timing and footwork.

 

[Machinehead]

Andujar could throw the ball through a brick wall but his chances of hitting the wall are 1 in 3.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

IIRC, a few of those "Throwing" errors were actually "Fielding" errors if that makes sense. Like he got a bad jump and read on the ball and had to force a late throw because he didn't charge the ball when he should have.

using errors as a proxy for defense is like using plus minus. Jeter didn't make errors but he didn't get to a lot of balls he should have.

3B is a lot more your raw arm strength and accuracy and your athleticism/range. It's reading the ball off the bat, reading the hop and knowing when to charge or step back, initial positioning, footwork etc. Andjuar doesn't have it.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I remembered it the opposite as you, so I checked. 7 throwing errors and 8 fielding errors.

I don't see him being a good first baseman either with his timing and footwork.

Latter is very, very learn able.

I don't think timing is really a problem for him, Range is.

 

[sbjnyc]

The Yankees also acquired one of the worst contracts in baseball. You keep ignoring that part. Jonathan Toews is a future Hall of Famer -- I don't know any team that wants his contract.

Yet they are supposedly looking to sign one or more players to a similar contract (with some here being outraged if they don't). There was no talk about how bad the contract is last summer, just how awesome Cashman was. But because Stanton had a slow start the narrative changed to how bad the contract is, despite finishing with a 4+ WAR.

It's not true at all that Andujar has no future with the Yankees and that's why he's being shopped. He's being shopped because he's an attractive trade piece and there's a better UFA who plays the same position on the market. The Yankees could easily keep Andujar and they would if Machado wasn't available.

True I was presupposing the Yankees signing Machado. But the 2 go hand in hand - the Yankees are willing to trade Andujar who happens to be a prime trade chip but Gleyber Torres is untouchable. If Didi was healthy there would be no place for both Machado and Andujar so Didi's injury complicates things but long term I think the Yanks keep Didi at SS, Gleyber at 2B and Machado at 3B. IMO Andujar doesn't get enough ABs to warrant his being the full time DH. Of course if the Yanks don't sign Machado all bets are off.

He's going to the Marlins because the Marlins are unloading prime talent, which both the Yankees and Mets need. The Jeter conspiracy theories are tired. They also traded Ozuna and Yelich (the current MVP) and we don't hear anything about that.

The Marlins traded everyone. Are you suggesting that Jeter was just incompetent as a GM and should have gotten more from each deal?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Yet they are supposedly looking to sign one or more players to a similar contract (with some here being outraged if they don't). There was no talk about how bad the contract is last summer, just how awesome Cashman was. But because Stanton had a slow start the narrative changed to how bad the contract is, despite finishing with a 4+ WAR.


True I was presupposing the Yankees signing Machado. But the 2 go hand in hand - the Yankees are willing to trade Andujar who happens to be a prime trade chip but Gleyber Torres is untouchable. If Didi was healthy there would be no place for both Machado and Andujar so Didi's injury complicates things but long term I think the Yanks keep Didi at SS, Gleyber at 2B and Machado at 3B. IMO Andujar doesn't get enough ABs to warrant his being the full time DH. Of course if the Yanks don't sign Machado all bets are off.


The Marlins traded everyone. Are you suggesting that Jeter was just incompetent as a GM and should have gotten more from each deal?

Jeter isn't a GM.

Gleyber is untouchable because he is a better player than Andujar. That doesn't mean that Andujar is bad.

 

[sbjnyc]

Jeter isn't a GM.

Gleyber is untouchable because he is a better player than Andujar. That doesn't mean that Andujar is bad.

My bad. I meant he was supposedly the one making those decisions. It could be a media thing as he was the one answering the questions as I recall. I never said Andujar was a bad player, just that he doesn't make sense for the Marlins, IMO. But the Yankees wouldn't be looking to trade him if he was in their long term plans. Torres is so he's ruled out of any trade.