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OT: MLB Discussion Thread, Part II: Yanks pay Ellsbury

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16 To Stanley said:
That team won't make the playoffs.
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I'm fine with that. Clear the big money off the books and rebuild. Boston is going to be good again. The O's are an up and coming team. The Rays will be in the wild card hunt. The Jays underachieved this year. All things considered, the Yankees were lucky to be in wild card contention as deep into September as they were.
 
He's going to ask for a lot. What he gets, who knows. Is anyone going to pay him based off past numbers, I'd wager someone probably will. But he missed almost this whole season.

Granderson is overrated because of the homers he hits at yankee stadium. He's a good offensive player, but his average will fall to 220-240 by the end of the year.

He's not worth huge money. And if the yankees are going to give him a mediocre contract and forego Cano, I'd rather they just use all that money to go for Cano.

If i had to guess, Granderson is going to be asking for a boatload.

Also, rather fitting Cruz makes the last out of the season for Texas lol.
 
2014 is redundant to the Yankees. They won't budge. One bother is a super nerd who cares little about baseball while the other is forcing Cashman to make moves he doesn't want to make.

The late 80s Yankees downward spiraled because of the league, not because of talent evaluation. The free agent rules of the 70s allowed George to pilfer ball clubs. Once GMs realized the severity, they locked up their guys before Steinbrenner could yank them away. Yount, Brett, Carew, Murray, Ripken etc. if you look at the draft picks they gave up in the 80s, nobody worthwhile would have been available anyway.

The Dave Eiland Dallas Green Yankees struck out a toooooooooooon. They never put the ball in play. Balboni, Barfield, Hall, Maas, Kelly etc.

The Yankees changed when they acquired tough outs. Oneill, Fernandez, Boggs.

They need to copy the Red Sox. Get gamers. Divers. Slap hitters to compliment big bats. Those guys are out there and cheap. Keep Tex, Cano, Gardner and Soriano.
 
Ross Rhea said:
162 game season and the MLB needs 3 one-off play-in games to draw a playoff bracket?
The money grubbing is shameless and it's ruining the integrity of the sport more than steroids ever did IMO. NFL is also supposedly rumored to be expanding the playoffs. I couldn't care less what happens in either of these leagues any more outside of placing wagers to make extra money.

NHL is skating on very thin ice (pun intended) with all of their ******** as well. Brush it off all you want, but when one of the best players in the league leaves prestigious team to play in front of 4,000 people in Siberia there's a problem.
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The way baseball decides a winner is a total joke.

Get rid of the second wildcard, go back to the old system of Divisional Round, League Championship, World Series.

All three rounds best of NINE. Baseball has 162 games, and its such a random sport that you can so easily win by luck. You can throw the Astros into the playoffs this year and they can win. Its a joke. Maybe reduce the season to 150-155 games if the playoffs will be longer.

That said, for two tied teams.. theres really no better way to break the tie than to have a one game play-in.
 
Where is my Kershaw, my Dodger brethren??

I'm kinda scared to play St. Louis. I don't see Pittsburgh beating them on the road, but stranger things have happened. I think we can take either of them, though. Things are clicking right now.
 
Mets interested in trading for Trumbo. He fixes 1b problems.

Also interested in Granderson, Beltran, Cruz, Ellsbury, and Choo. (one of).

And Peralta, Arroyo/Johnson/Halladay.

They will not part with Syndergaard but I can see them parting with Montero, Nimmo/Cecchini, Ike maybe?

Don't know what it will take to get a trade done. What the market is for Trumbo. Which prospects Mets are willing to part with but a line up of:

Lagares
Murphy
Trumbo
Wright
Cruz
D'Arnaud
Peralta
Duda

and rotation of

Wheeler
Niese
Gee
Syndergaard
Arroyo/Johnson/Halladay

would actually field a playoff contending team.

Add Harvey back the year later and 1 or 2 more free agent signings and that's actually a legit team.
 
GordonGecko said:
minus buyout for Santana and deferred compensation to Jason Bay
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Buyout for Santana is 5 and Bay is 20. So I guess add 25 to that. They have about 15/20 to spend?

Cruz could go for 8. Peralta for 4. Arroyo/Johnson/Halladay could go for 2-5 base with incentives going up to 8 themselves. And a trade for Trumbo would add maybe another 5-7?

They might go over budget by 5 ish mill. Will Wilpons restrict the team from making reasonable moves to be competitive based on cash? Probable. :(
 
Hey Yankees fans,

Getting back into baseball more again.

What sites/forums/twitter accts/etc are the best for Yankees diehards?

Thanks
 
Rumors for Mets in last 2 days:

- Have offers on table for Stephen Drew and Johnny Peralta. Whichever one bites first gets to be the Mets SS.
- Fielding offers for Daniel Murphy and Ike Davis.
- Interested in Nelson Cruz and Curtis Granderson as FA's
- Rafael Montero to D-Backs for SS Chris Owings (speculation)
- Mulling over trading for Profar, Andrus, or Kinsler
- Interested in Trumbo
- Trying to sign Alfredo Aceves

They have a lot of holes to fill, too many to do in 1 offseason, but they should be able to start putting dents in them so they can be contenders by 2015.

Markakis is interesting. He seems to be regressing a little but it could just be that he needs a change of scenery. Baseball players don't regress the same way other players do. They could show signs and then come out stronger than ever at age 35 and sustain it for several years. Markakis is 29. He should be entering his peak, statistically speaking out of terms of age. He's got a lot more in the tires. He's owed 15 mill this year and 17.5 next year. O's looking to shed salary. If we take on entirety of salary we should be able to get him for something like DeGrom, Ike, and a single A pitcher.

Sign Cruz to a 2 year deal.

That fixes the OF: Cruz in LF. Lagares in CF. Markakis in RF.

Sign Peralta to a 2-3 year contract. That gives Cecchini 2-3 years to develop and take the reigns.

Shift Flores to 1b. Keep Murphy. Keep Montero. Sign a vet pitcher - Halladay?

Rotation: Wheeler, Niese, Gee, Halladay, Mejia/Montero.

See what Montero can do. I think he'll actually be decent in MLB. 10-12 wins, 3.8-4.2 era consistently. Not bad for a back end rotation guy.

By June/July Syndergaard should make an appearance like Wheeler did last year.
 
Cano rumored to Mets. About a good of shot of that happening as me performing successful heart surgery without any prior experience or knowledge.
 
Cano (and the inexperienced Jay Z and his team) is in for a rude awakening when they see what the market for him really looks like. Very very good player, but not the type of bankable star that people come to the ballpark to see.

I'd be surprised if his price goes far above $150M.
 
SingnBluesOnBroadway said:
Cano is not rumored to the Mets. Cano's team had dinner with the Mets brass.
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The term most beat reporters are using is "Cano rumored to Mets".

You can look at the meeting as Jay Z and co. trying to use the Mets to get the Yanks to offer more, as I do.

Or theres the off chance that they came to the Mets, and in the 2 hours they spent, they actually had pertinent discussions with useful offers being exchanged.

Also, Mets talked with 2 lower level execs earlier - a meeting they scheduled. Jay Z and co. scheduled the next meeting. That's more promising than if it was a first meeting that Jay Z required.
 
kenjets36 said:
The term most beat reporters are using is "Cano rumored to Mets".

You can look at the meeting as Jay Z and co. trying to use the Mets to get the Yanks to offer more, as I do.

Or theres the off chance that they came to the Mets, and in the 2 hours they spent, they actually had pertinent discussions with useful offers being exchanged.

Also, Mets talked with 2 lower level execs earlier - a meeting they scheduled. Jay Z and co. scheduled the next meeting. That's more promising than if it was a first meeting that Jay Z required.
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He can't be "rumored to the Mets" when they never talked numbers.
 
Bleed Ranger Blue said:
Cano (and the inexperienced Jay Z and his team) is in for a rude awakening when they see what the market for him really looks like. Very very good player, but not the type of bankable star that people come to the ballpark to see.

I'd be surprised if his price goes far above $150M.
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I also really don't see where bidding war is going to come from.
 
The Yankees have offered $160M for 7 years. That's $22M plus per year. Cano will be 31 by opening day. The Yankees are bidding against themselves. His attitude sucks. For the past 2 years,Cano's people have been saying he won't sign cheap because his contract was a bargain for the Yankees. Cano will be a bad player at the end of the seven year contract.
 
Bleed Ranger Blue said:
Cano (and the inexperienced Jay Z and his team) is in for a rude awakening when they see what the market for him really looks like. Very very good player, but not the type of bankable star that people come to the ballpark to see.

I'd be surprised if his price goes far above $150M.
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I said this exact same thing on Jays boards couple weeks ago.
 
darko said:
I said this exact same thing on Jays boards couple weeks ago.
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Unfortunately, reports are his management team is holding firm on 10 yrs/310.

Anyone hoping for a quick resolution with any team is in for a bad surprise.

Really don't see the Mets as being a fit.

Most I can see being offered (as an overpayment) is 7 years 180, which is a little over 25/yr avg.

Market supply however is changing. Teams are becoming averse to long contracts. 10 years won't happen. 7 is pushing it. But for 7 or even 6 years his avg per year will be higher than anticipated.

25.7 is pushing it for me. Anything over and I'm out if i'm a GM.

My guess is Yanks bump their offer to 7/170 or 7/180 and he accepts that.
 
kenjets36 said:
Unfortunately, reports are his management team is holding firm on 10 yrs/310.

Anyone hoping for a quick resolution with any team is in for a bad surprise.
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If they hold out for that, Cano simply won't be playing baseball anymore. He'll be lucky to get half that.

Not to mention Hal Steinbrenner seems committed to some fiscal sanity, especially after A-Rod hoodwinked him back in 2007. Why would the Yankees need to up their initial offer? Show me another team willing to offer more. The guy is a very good, but not great, player with an ugly attitude.
 
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