No we wouldn't win a cup with just that swap. Your thesis assumes Matthews does show up, my response is one player swapped doesn't make a difference when most of your core still wilts in key moments. TB didn't wilt, they had many people come forward, goalies, defenders, forwards. Kuch isn't the only variable. To me your opinion is simplistic, is that better than silly?
Sounds like a real strawman you built there. You must think Bergeron sucked as a forward
Any stat that contains "x" or "ex" or "expected" is automatically bogus and any argument based on those "stats" is to be discarded.
Rule for the Marner fans is that any and all stats that shine a negative light on Marner is bogus and should be discarded. However, if one week any of those stats are favorable for Marner then they will post them.
Any counting that goes beyond fingers should be discarded for some who have their socks on.
Much better since I was meaning to make a simplistic view. I'm not really comparing Toronto and Tampa. Obviously there are more impactful players on Tampa, their organization has been better in many aspects for the whole core four Era.
True but I think Kucherov is better at it and I think it's better for playoff hockey because it keeps the pressure from getting to you when there is less space. I think Kucherov does it more, and better.
No. Properly presented stats have value in these discussions. But, you can't measure hockey with stats like baseball and this is where the fake stats are much more of a problem.
And they literally do, when he does something positive I just know it hurts a little bit. What pathetic corner have you painted yourself into that you feel this way? It really isn't about a player at that point, it's more about personal defects. That's why I begrudgingly just put a select few on ignore now, and my experience here is slightly better. I don't hang with bottom feeders in real life, not sure why social media demands otherwise. It isn't intellectual debate either, that's just cover for misfits.
Never said anybody sucked. Kutch also better than Bergeron. Does not mean Bergeron sucked.
It must truly be horrible for them. The cognitive dissonance that they must feel when Marner is doing his magic must eat them up. We definitely see it reflected on here as they seem pretty miserable. Unfortunately, we've almost certainly got at least 10 more years of this ahead of us.
Yet you are pumping a viewpoint of vast differences based on a set of metrics that are far more exacerbated with Bergeron. You just can't clock up the range. I would argue that Bergeron has had a career that Marner has yet to achieve but an argument based on what you pulled would make it hands down Marner.
Kucherov v. Marner is the least impactful of those swaps. Smallest gap in player smallest positional importance for a playoff run unless they are really on fire. I think any single swap of the four and we have multiple years with better playoff success than we have had.
Leafs do not win a cup with Kutch instead of Marner. More interesting question is, does Tampa win with Marner instead of Kutch?
Situationally, players have different impacts depending on team mates. I would bet most teams would think they would win a cup with McDavid but they would be wrong.
Kind of wierd that a Vasy doesn't command the highest salary in the league
