He played at a 90 point pace the backhalf of 2017/18 with Kadri and Marleau. He played at a 65 point pace as a 19 year old rookie with Bozak and JVR, while getting reduced PP time, and not playing at all with our best goal scorer.
Player Discussion Mitch Marner
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Love to hear more...please elaborate. Once you're clear on your complaint and explain your differing opinion... I'm happy to invest some time researching whether your opinion makes sense.
But I suspect this confusing garble is really you acting out...you are angry, but have no way to defend against the information, so you say something curt and hope to distract from your lack of knowledge.
Prove me wrong and we can have a great discussion about advanced stats.
I can see that Keefe or any coaches would use their top guys more when they are trailing in a playoff game.
What I like to see is limiting MM PK ice time. Now before someone(we know who you are) starts throwing MM's PK stats at me. I know he is a great PKer but I would rather see him spend his minutes on PP and even strength in the playoffs.
Guys like McMann, Holmberg, Kampf and Calle when he comes back would be huge in limiting the PK time of MM and Willie.
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Try insering toi with the top three combinations marner played without Tavares even strength that year.
Your data is meaningless and is primarily a combination of seconds when players transition between shifts. It is the worst analytical crapolla you could probably do. Your attempt at statistics are clumsy and inept. Time and time again you think you have a point but you aren't good at this and clearly not schooled in it because you would spend more time analyzing what makes up the numbers.
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I mean, of course Mackinnon's ice time was lower. Not only does he not PK, his team was winning. When his team wasn't doing so hot the next year, he was playing 23:44 per game. This ice time discrepancy for Marner is actually a result of 3 things:
1. Playoff games are longer, on average, because of the unlimited overtime. For Marner in the 2021-2023 playoffs, it's really just a difference of going from playing 36% of overall game time to 38% of overall game time.
2. He plays pretty much the same percentages of leading, tied, and trailing time as the regular season, but we trail much more in the playoffs than the regular season. In the regular season, we spend 42% of the game leading and 24% trailing, and in the playoffs that flips to 24% leading and 39% trailing. Your best players play more than you trail.
3. The only real discrepancy seems to be that he plays slightly more of the trailing time than the regular season, but that seems to be largely represented by extra 6v5 time with the goalie pulled. So it's not like it's tiring him out throughout the game. That is sending out your best with the game on the line.
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No one can be this stupid. Who still uses Corsi? What percentage of Marners time was he not with Tavares? Who did he play with when he wasn't with Tavares and who did Tavares play with? What situations did they play in when they were apart? Did Marner get a lot of ice time at the end of the game when they were leading? What other score effects affect these silly Corsi numbers. Dude, you have no clue what you are doing. You should be embarrassed.
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Can we give any credit to him on that goal or no?
Lol there are always so many excuses made for Marner. He must be injured. Goalies went all world. His corsi/fenwick aren't good because it must be because he's getting more defensive assignments.
Bigger sample?
Matthews Fenwick with Marner and without.
2020-2022
2022 mins together
615 apart
Matthews ff% without Marner: 53%
Marner ff% without Matthews: 47%
2021-present:
1130 mins together
700 mins apart
Matthews ff% without Marner: 53%
Marner ff% without Matthews: 48%
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Is there an update of what Jay Rosehill thinks about Marner?
I forgot who the poster was who thought his opinion meant so much
I forgot who the poster was who thought his opinion meant so much
It's a wrist shot from the oppositions blueline lol. A very very low percentage shot but Matthews was screening the goalie. Literally the broadcast team in the NHL highlight said this " but the key to everything is Matthews in front of the net"....
Can you show me a goal where Marner was providing a screen for his teammate to score? He doesn't do it. I've pointed it out often. He doesn't go to the dirty areas, which prevents screened goal opportunities for his teammates.
90% of Marner playoff goals are where the goalie is screened by his teammates. Yet... He doesn't need to do the same for them.
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He had a lane to the goal, turned around and skated back to blue line
.Glad we scored, nice figure skating, I don't get the shot selection, skating away from the goal just to float one in for redirection.
I was thinking the very same thing... He could have taken a wrist shot 30' closer... But instead turned his back to the net, skated back to the blueline...ran our of room and sent a wrister to the net lol. This is exactly what he does in the playoffs and what kills us. The opponent will love that route any day of the week.He had a lane to the goal, turned around and skated back to blue line
Glad we scored, nice figure skating, I don't get the shot selection, skating away from the goal just to float one in for redirection.
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You're still miss using "advanced stats". I went through all of this with Zeke. Stop using stats out of context that you clearly don't understand.
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Marner is playing great hockey this year after a cold 30 game start for his standards
He is 100% a greedy ass hole, but so are Matthews and Nylander and Tavares. So we will have to accept the gross 12-13M deal he will get and not play up to most likely.
When he is on hes a top 3 winger in the league. His inconsistency stops him from being that level consistently. Kucherov and Pastrank are 100% players you take ahead of him as both are Matthews level players.
He needs be a top 3ish winger in the playoffs and his lack of reg season award wins/ finishes wont matter as much (its not like Nylander will be getting any finalist finishes on his 11.5M deal or Tavares besides maybe 2019 (rocket) was top 3 for anything ever )
He is 100% a greedy ass hole, but so are Matthews and Nylander and Tavares. So we will have to accept the gross 12-13M deal he will get and not play up to most likely.
When he is on hes a top 3 winger in the league. His inconsistency stops him from being that level consistently. Kucherov and Pastrank are 100% players you take ahead of him as both are Matthews level players.
He needs be a top 3ish winger in the playoffs and his lack of reg season award wins/ finishes wont matter as much (its not like Nylander will be getting any finalist finishes on his 11.5M deal or Tavares besides maybe 2019 (rocket) was top 3 for anything ever )
Nobody uses Corsi. He used it because his argument didn't work when both Marner and Tavares were below 50% xGF% without each other. Close to 90% of Marner's 5v5 ice time was with Tavares, and his time without was primarily random mixtures from the middle of line changes. He only featured on two line combinations without Tavares that reached the 10 min threshold, and only one was below 50% xGF%. That line? Marner, Matthews, and Marleau. Which doesn't even fit his argument.
So apparently... Marner sucks because 5 years ago, he played with Matthews/Marleau for one game at 5v5 and the line was meh, and because we didn't outplay the opposition in some rare transitional 5v5 minutes in the middle of line changes, even though we outscored them.
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This one doesn't need a crystal ball. He's going to get $12.5 million per season, or a similar number that is somewhere between Nylander and Matthews. Love him or hate him, he is going to be a Leaf for a very long time.
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It's always entertaining to come over to the Mitch Marner thread and catch up on all the hate. Never give up, lol
Was watching this game with a friend and after Bert scored the 2nd, I asked you there is one forward who still had not score for the Leafs during this streak beside Steeves, and the answer will surprise you. He finally said Marner and he was surprised to find out. Then I told him, it would be cool if he scores today and that will make all forwards scoring.
Boom, he scored.
Played well today and yes he should had shot it before he curled back but maybe he saw something that we didn’t as we weren’t on the ice. Either way, he played great and hope he continues.
Boom, he scored.
Played well today and yes he should had shot it before he curled back but maybe he saw something that we didn’t as we weren’t on the ice. Either way, he played great and hope he continues.
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That curl back was key to the play and a very high IQ, high skill play.
If you watch the replay, Knies is no where to be seen pre-curl and Marner reads that the Avs are cheating towards Matthews.
The curl back opened up the shooting lane while also buying him a screen and tip option
Mitch 56 games played 23 goals. 49 assists 72 points will has 78 points matty has 76 points so I don’t f***ing think there’s anything wrong mitch who are you going to get that racket up those numbers
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