Player Discussion Mitch Marner
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DarkKnight
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ahh, don’t know that reference!No retort nor serious, just playing around about Denethor is never happy
Arzak
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He always looks good when Matthews is scoring.
Is he a Top 10 salary while on RFA contract good?
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I can't eat a cherry tomato without thinking of that guy.
I know what you are saying but the narrative of late is next man up and players playing better and more accountable when a top guy is missing. What you did here could be interpret as the rest of the team doesn't think MM is a top guy, so they don't care if he is missing or not.
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Notsince67
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A novel theory based on a queef. Matthews had a ton of scoring chances but didn't convert them. His opportunities didn't drop off. Your whole theory is utter garbage.
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You must think teams are terrified of doubling Matthews and leaving Marner open in the playoffs?
His 10 goals in 50 games terrifies them of the repercussions.
For comparison, goalscoring juggernaut Morgan Rielly has 11 goals in 50 playoff games.
Notsince67
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What does doubling have to do with what I said which is Matthews didn't convert on his chances.
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Did you even read my post?
Of course Matthews didn't score on every shot.
His chances were limited and his shots were blocked much more often due to the fact they can double him. Marner is not a threat to score in the playoffs, it handicaps Matthews because who's he supposed to pass to that can score when he sees 2 or 3 guys on him? He's forced to take a bad shot because it's still better than the other options.
54 forwards have played 500+ minutes the last 3 playoffs.
Here is where Matthews ranks for individual chances:
Shots/60: 2nd most out of the 54 forwards
Individual Scoring Chances/60: 1st out of the 54 forwards
Individual Expected Goals/60: 4th most out of the 54 forwards
Comparables: McDavid, MacKinnon
It’s a pointless argument.And some peeps thinks that is somehow without value.
If Mitch were the only one not producing in the playoffs. Wait what? He leads this version of the playoffs Leafs in points. Mitch leads 47 to 44 for 34 to 40 for 88
So if he's not.......?
Who else isn't?
Now do McKinnon and Matthews
There is nothing you can say or do to convince some people here that the guy who put up these stats wasn’t a no show:
Marner
gp-11 G-3 A-11 P-14 p/60-3.165 +/- +7 hits-18 blocked shots-10
While this guy dominant:
Nylander
GP-11 G-4 A-6 P-10 P/60-2.909 +/- -4 hits-3 blocked shots-2
Marner threw 6x as many hits. Blocked 5x as many shots, put up more points. Was more productive per time on ice and was 11 goals ahead in goal differential. Still Marner was a soft no show and Willy was dominant.
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I rarely agree with you, but "A novel theory based on gueef"
That Sir is pure gold.
Notsince67
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Divine
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Clearly you never read my post.
My post was about how Marner is not a good linemate because they can double team Matthews... then you asked what double teaming had to do with it?
Notsince67
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The results show Matthews was set up a ton. His shots didn't go in. This theory has no legs at all.
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Matthews will get chances even if he's playing with 2 hfboards posters. He's been an elite hockey player his entire life.
Teams double team Matthews when he does not have a scoring option to pass to. They even talked about it against Tampa last year where teams will give Marner the shooting lane to double Matthews.
7 of the Leafs 8 series have been against Vezina winning goalies and almost all the goalies have also been on heaters and been in consideration for the best goalie of the playoffs (Price's crazy run to the finals, Korpisalo setting the playoff save record against the Bolts the next series, Bobrovsky's best playoff run ever to the finals, etc.) Very Leafy to hit these guys in the first/second round of course...
The Leafs have outplayed nearly every team in the playoffs during the Matthews era and it's a little weird how folks cant put the obvious togther. I mean, we ran frigging Jack Campbell 2 of those years and he couldn't make a big save to save his life but it's somehow on the players in front of him who are going up against clutch juggernaut goaltending? The Leafs have made meh goalies playing for them look like all stars (and even got them on the team) but I'd like to see what this team would look like with an actual playoff goalie.
I'm tired of my memories of playoff difference making goaltending being those of Potvin/Cujo/Belfour. It's the greatest failure of Dubas and Tre doesnt seem to be making a big move here either. Just gonna run with the 3rd stringer cast off and a guy who stunk it out of the league this season I guess? I do like Woll the best out of the three but unproven and injury issues dont give me much confidence.
Notsince67
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You are running in circles. If Marner is a bad partner yet Matthews will get chances regardless of who he partners with, what is the point of this steaming pile of shit of a theory?
Notsince67
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I agree with you. Assuming for a moment however, that we can't get better goaltending, it is important to prioritize a focus on the areas that work the least. Matthews Marner line wasnt perfect but they generated a ton of chances while limiting chances against. The same cannot be said about the depth. Perhaps that is expected in some cases but the psychology of the game requires the depth to become an attention point to some degree. if they aren't scoring or defending well then hitting is always an avenue. Just need to take the other teams focus away from the big boys for spells.
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Trading for a tender almost never works. Tenders are far too finicky and get out of rhythm when a change happens. There is a reason over the past 25 years only 2 tenders not drafted by the winning team have won.
Not sure how you came to only 2 goalies in 25yrs not drafted by the winning team ? There's lots that were recycled goalies , undrafted , traded for ect .
None of Roy ,Belfour , Hasek, Khabibulin, Gerber, JSG, Huet / Niemi, Kuemper, Hill . were drafted by their cup teams .
Notsince67
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Its a difficult thing to do for sure. We did grab Belfour as a free agent though.
A bit off topic so let me rein it in a bit. We are likely not getting help in goaltending.
Marner is playing pretty decently
Matthews is ripping it up
Nylander, while slumping a bit lately has brough his game up a level and is dangerous.
Defense is a bit weak but nobody is obviously a problem.
Scoring depth wise, we have had some good surprises. The bad surprise is how ineffective Bert has been and the long spells of drought from JT. Domi has also been unspectacular. That said, JT will have bouts of brilliance. Domi and Bert are grit players and I am hoping that grit translates in the playoffs.
The team has a lot of pieces and I really don't know what to do about it without bringing the tower down like gengo.
This team needs everyone at their best to win.
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