Player Discussion Mitch Marner

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Both. The author for writing horrible articles to get clicks, and you for reposting them in every thread after they've already been proven to be meaningless noise.

You didn't post an article. You paraphrased the position, and posted a few select statements from an article, because parts of that article were too complimentary to Marner.
But yes, that part of the article is also bad. First of all, the shot chart isn't even complete. He scored 3 goals, and it's only showing 2 there. Which means he's only showing 5v5.
And the conclusion is largely unsupported assumptions, based on an argument that essentially boils down to:

Take the hottest 5v5 stretch of Marner's career from the second half of the 2021-2022 regular season facing all quality of opponents, and if he doesn't hit the exact same individual shot metrics at 5v5 in the 2023 playoffs against exclusively top teams.. he bad, despite scoring more goals and points than ever before, and performing and producing at an elite level.

Though of course, the article doesn't actually say he's bad. It actually talks more about how good Marner is. Marner being bad is more your incorrect interpretation of a few very flawed lines discussing the author's badly supported and simplistic assumptions about how he could improve.
So when articles praise them, you and a few others like them..but when negative ones are posted they are authors trying to get clicks? When advanced stats are posted that reflect badly, they are cherry picked? But when stats are posted that appear to reflect well on Marner, then you like them?

Here is another quote from that article. How complimentary is this one?

Marner has long been one of the NHL’s better players, better in the regular season anyway than he arguably gets credit for. And yet, it’s at this point in his career, when he’s fully grown and smack in the middle of his prime, playoff disappointments piling up behind him, that the Leafs need him to reach another level still.

Whether he gets there or not may just determine whether the Leafs finally make a serious challenge for the Stanley Cup — or fall short yet again.
 
So when articles praise them, you and a few others like them..but when negative ones are posted they are authors trying to get clicks?
When advanced stats are posted that reflect badly, they are cherry picked? But when stats are posted that appear to reflect well on Marner, then you like them?
I don't really care about articles by hockey media personalities in general, good or bad. They're pretty much all narrative-driven for clicks, because that's their job. Get views.
Advanced stats, and everything else, show Marner to be a great player overall. You just refuse to accept that, so we end up with you repeatedly posting the same articles about some obscure microstat over some specific time period that gets used incorrectly to disparage him.
 
I don't really care about articles by hockey media personalities in general, good or bad. They're pretty much all narrative-driven for clicks, because that's their job. Get views.
Advanced stats, and everything else, show Marner to be a great player overall. You just refuse to accept that, so we end up with you repeatedly posting the same articles about some obscure microstat over some specific time period that gets used incorrectly to disparage him.
So you think that the numerous articles written about Marner by professional news sources are intentionally critical of his performance and "cherry pick" what you think are few bad advanced stats just because negative articles get more clicks than positive? So your saying these professionals lack ethics and integrity?

I guess you could be right.
It is plausible that it's just a conspiracy against just Marner.... Just for clicks. Lol

Wow poor Marner...thankfully he has you to point out the truth about these dirty rotten unethical professional sports writers. And the whole bunch of them conspiring together too! Must be an underground society of writers determined for clicks at the expense of poor Marner.
 
I know a couple that are old, played Junior hockey, and have cheered for the Leafs for over 60 yrs.
See below, I can tell you this though, usually those guys understand the game, unless of course the long slow decline into oldtimers disease came upon them prematurely.
A handful who talk about his dad or the puck over the glass years ago aren’t relevant.
Respected around the league and loved by his teammates trumps all that.
Exactly
 
I don't really care about articles by hockey media personalities in general, good or bad. They're pretty much all narrative-driven for clicks, because that's their job. Get views.
Advanced stats, and everything else, show Marner to be a great player overall. You just refuse to accept that, so we end up with you repeatedly posting the same articles about some obscure microstat over some specific time period that gets used incorrectly to disparage him.

It sounds like you hate the Selke, pick your lane !
 
Mitch 2 assists in St Louis so far, too bad they don't mean anything:cool:
Don't mean anything is too harsh, probably more accurate to say don't mean much IMO. I'll grade him the same way I grade everyone else, mostly on how they do in the playoffs. Let's hope this is the year that Marner doesn't run out of gas after 86 games, that would help a lot!
 
1. It is pathetic to prove a point on a player using their Jrs numbers when said player is in his 8th season as a full time NHL player. No offense but whatever he had done in Jrs means very little now bc his career in the NHL is more than twice as long as his Jrs career.
2. All our top guys get crap from Leafsnation, even Reilly. Look back last year when he was struggling and then out of the lineup. Then came back and not truly 100%. Look at how many posters kept throwing the Leafs records without Reilly and how Dubas should trade him bc he is too one dimensional and he is not a true No.1….. nobody is saying that now bc we all knew why he is out of the lineup and he has been playing amazing hockey this season.
3. Face the facts and just stop defending when players had bad games, bad seasons or bad playoffs. It is funny how nobody defend Bert as game after game he hustled, worked hard but just couldn’t score. Nobody uses their fancy stats to show Bert’s expected goals or his shooting % to defend him. Maybe someone did, but it is not enough to the point that I notice.
 
1. It is pathetic to prove a point on a player using their Jrs numbers when said player is in his 8th season as a full time NHL player. No offense but whatever he had done in Jrs means very little now bc his career in the NHL is more than twice as long as his Jrs career.
2. All our top guys get crap from Leafsnation, even Reilly. Look back last year when he was struggling and then out of the lineup. Then came back and not truly 100%. Look at how many posters kept throwing the Leafs records without Reilly and how Dubas should trade him bc he is too one dimensional and he is not a true No.1….. nobody is saying that now bc we all knew why he is out of the lineup and he has been playing amazing hockey this season.
3. Face the facts and just stop defending when players had bad games, bad seasons or bad playoffs. It is funny how nobody defend Bert as game after game he hustled, worked hard but just couldn’t score. Nobody uses their fancy stats to show Bert’s expected goals or his shooting % to defend him. Maybe someone did, but it is not enough to the point that I notice.

Expected stats favor a points binge soon for Bertuzzi. Correct.
 
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Make that 3
Yup... Lol everytime I see he's picked up points I go to the highlights to see the quality of points. Today was not abnormal, a pp primary assist to Matthews on the PP, a secondary assist at even strength (incredible effort by Knies on the goal) and an empty net assist. That's the Marner special right there lol.

Waiting to see him "drive plays"
 
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When Matthews, Nylander, Rielly, or Tavares are out the Leafs have a winning record. When Mitch is out they've got a losing record.

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Maybe a coincidence but it says something about Marner's role on the team.
 
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Marner now on pace for 100.5 points.
And some peeps thinks that is somehow without value.

If Mitch were the only one not producing in the playoffs. Wait what? He leads this version of the playoffs Leafs in points. Mitch leads 47 to 44 for 34 to 40 for 88

So if he's not.......?

Who else isn't?

Mcdavid is on pace for 132.5

Now do McKinnon and Matthews:(;)
 
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Marner now on pace for 100.5 points.
When he was struggling early I said no reason to worry, he'll no doubt get his points by the time the season's over, probably between 90 and 110. I also said I don't even care if I'm wrong and he only gets 70 points, just bring it in the playoffs, and not the just first 4 games either.

Looking forward to seeing what these guys can do when the real season starts two months from now. GLG!!
 
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So you think that the numerous articles written about Marner by professional news sources are intentionally critical of his performance and "cherry pick" what you think are few bad advanced stats just because negative articles get more clicks than positive? So your saying these professionals lack ethics and integrity?
I guess you could be right.
It is plausible that it's just a conspiracy against just Marner.... Just for clicks. Lol
Wow poor Marner...thankfully he has you to point out the truth about these dirty rotten unethical professional sports writers. And the whole bunch of them conspiring together too! Must be an underground society of writers determined for clicks at the expense of poor Marner.
Your post is essentially just an example of the appeal to authority fallacy. There is no conspiracy theory, and while many media personalities do thrive on negativity as the easiest way to drive engagement, not every article about Marner is negative. You just choose to post those ones. I don't care about these articles, positive or negative. Their job is to craft an engaging narrative, not be correct. Most hockey media members don't understand advanced statistics, let alone these obscure microstats they're forced to fall back on when everything else contradicts their position. They're not using them properly. They're not looking at the context behind anything. They're not taking the full picture. They're just trying to find anything that, on the surface level, sounds good for their story. That's why the arguments in those articles fell apart with about 5 minutes of looking a bit deeper.
It sounds like you hate the Selke, pick your lane !
I assume this is some attempt at a gotcha, but even aside from the fact that writing articles and voting on hockey awards are very different things, and even aside from the fact that industry consensus is very different from some guy said a thing, I have also been outspoken about how ridiculous media-voting on awards is.
 
Ignoring the points, I noticed he's been skating much better out there, he was noticably slower earlier in the Season and now he looks back to his usual self.
 
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