Mitch Marner, Yet Again

[thewave]

Offensively it would be interesting to see Domi with Matthews for a full season. He is a really good passer and skater. All around player, Marner is obviously better.

Won't happen with Berube. If a change is made it doesn't last past a couple periods.

 

[Smif]

Regardless of the fact majority of the money is on the defensive side between the 2 and domi line looked just as good defensively without marner maybe cause matthews is still on the line

Marner is often the first forward back and takes the responsibilities of a C. With Domi flanking Matthews I doubt Berube matches them against MacKinnon like he did yesterday. I believe that's a big proponent of keeping that line together, getting the toughest QOC.

 

[leafs in five]

They are saying Rantanen is the product of Mack. Necas is performing the same or worse though.

 

[thewave]

Necas plays with Mack. No performance Increase or real change overall with Rantanen. So Mack is not some universal make you better superstar

 

[ACC1224]

Marner is often the first forward back and takes the responsibilities of a C. With Domi flanking Matthews I doubt Berube matches them against MacKinnon like he did yesterday. I believe that's a big proponent of keeping that line together, getting the toughest QOC.

These are the things that the casual fans overlook.

 

[arso40]

Marner is often the first forward back and takes the responsibilities of a C. With Domi flanking Matthews I doubt Berube matches them against MacKinnon like he did yesterday. I believe that's a big proponent of keeping that line together, getting the toughest QOC.

Matthews gets top competition no matter how good of a WINGER marner is he hangs bacc to avoid contact not to play defence nice try though

 

[arso40]

These are the things that the casual fans overlook.

These are the weird theories that marner fans try to come with again nice try

 

[notDatsyuk]

Rantanen needs Mack to produce. Very much like Nylander is a minus player without Matthews while Marner is always positive. Rantanen and Nylander are one level below Marner because while they produce a lot offense their defence is even worse.

Considering that he's been a plus player the last three years with hardly any time with Matthews, I'm not sure how you come to that conclusion.

I'm also not sure how you come to the conclusion that Rantanen and Nylander are a level below Marner.

 

[arso40]

Considering that he's been a plus player the last three years with hardly any time with Matthews, I'm not sure how you come to that conclusion.

I'm also not sure how you come to the conclusion that Rantanen and Nylander are a level below Marner.

At this point just have to agree to disagree cause the funny thing about a pre conceived notion is your eyes will see whatever it is you want it to see

 

[notDatsyuk]

Short sample? It's the last 5 years. Now 4 points in 5 games, that's a short sample. Here's a short sample, Rantanen got 1 point in the 4 nations and 6 points in 13 games with Carolina. I wouldn't go drawing conclusions from that but 5 years is NOT a short sample.

This has nothing to do with Necas.

Why can't Marner produce with Matthews when Matthews' shooting percentage goes from 16% to 4%. Hmm, I wonder.

Over the last 5 years Nylander has more points than Matthews, and only 24 fewer than Marner, while not playing with either the best scorer in the league or the best set-up man in the league.

Why does Marner disappear in the playoffs and why can't Matthews get easy set-ups without him? More evidence that Nylander is the best player on the team - better than either Matthews or Marner.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Don’t show this to @Dekes For Days. “Primary assists and 5on5 scoring” make Marner equal to domi. Or domi similar to Drai, better than Willy and pasta and rantanen.

No, cherry picking one specific point type in one specific game state in one specific sample with no context doesn't make Domi any of that, but good job showing you completely misunderstood our entire discussion.

 

[GoonieFace]

Matthews gets top competition no matter how good of a WINGER marner is he hangs bacc to avoid contact not to play defence nice try though

Yep, Marner has very little interest in forechecking or going to certain areas on the ice. He likes to hang around the blue line and throw weak floaters at the net. If he committed to going to these areas more often, he would be effective.

 

[notDatsyuk]

I don't care about the talking heads although the guys on Prime on Monday were gushing over Marner so I guess it depends on who you listen too.

If would be difficult for a 20 point elite defensive winger to be more valuable than Nylander but it's not even close for a 90 point one.

Who is more valuable, the 27/65/92 guy who out scores the opposition significantly ALL OF TIME or the 31/42/73 guy who gets out scored significantly other than when he is with a superstar sniper. These guys play the same position on the same team.

"Same position"? One plays with the best goal scorer in the league and the best LW the team has, while the other plays with a slow decent scorer and whoever is left on a thin team.

I'm not sure where you got those numbers. Who is more valuable, the 26/59/85 player who needs the best scorer in the league (and a Selke finalist) to boost his numbers, or the 40/58/98 player who has to do it mainly on his own?

 

[francis246]

You do realize domi got under four million dollars for being a playmaker that’s not a great 2 way player and @Antropovsky has shown time and time again that domi numbers are actually better with matthews and the eye test supports that so are you implying that the 9.5 difference in the salary he wants is cause of the defensive end?

Max has scored 20 or more goals ONCE in his career. That’s why Max gets paid what he does. He is not even a 20 goal scorer at the NHL level. Comparing Domi and Marner as if they are remotely close is stupid on every level.

It’s not that Marner isn’t capable of scoring more, he’s put up 25 and 30+ multiple times.. he can but he defers way too much to his linemates. Domi just flat out isn’t a goal scorer at the NHL level.

 

[ACC1224]

Max has scored 20 or more goals ONCE in his career. That’s why Max gets paid what he does. He is not even a 20 goal scorer at the NHL level. Comparing Domi and Marner as if they are remotely close is stupid on every level.

Just add it to the list.

 

[notDatsyuk]

It is.

No - his lowest was actually two years ago.

 

[francis246]

No - his lowest was actually two years ago.

Is he just shooting less this year in general?

 

[arso40]

Max has scored 20 or more goals ONCE in his career. That’s why Max gets paid what he does. He is not even a 20 goal scorer at the NHL level. Comparing Domi and Marner as if they are remotely close is stupid on every level.

It’s not that Marner isn’t capable of scoring more, he’s put up 25 and 30+ multiple times.. he can but he defers way too much to his linemates. Domi just flat out isn’t a goal scorer at the NHL level.

Fair enough so we do pay a premium for goal scoring then?

 

[francis246]

Fair enough so we do pay a premium for goal scoring then?

You pay a premium for good players, plain and simple. I don’t think GM’s pay more for goal scorers per se. I think they pay more for net positive offensive players. Some GM’s may very well pay a premium for that. Every front office probably has their own formula of what they value as important to them when making signings. I think the premium by position is a stronger argument and is more supported through NHL signings, TBH.

 

[Smif]

Matthews gets top competition no matter how good of a WINGER marner is he hangs bacc to avoid contact not to play defence nice try though

Sound analysis right here.

Actually, he circles up top because that's where the open ice is, same thing Kucherov does and same play John Cooper ran on Team Canada and in Tampa with Kuch. Did you see the play of Marner ankle breaking Makar just last page, where was that play? Behind opposition net. This nonsense of he doesn't go down low and in the corners makes it quite easy to find the blind haters.

 

[GoonieFace]

Sound analysis right here.

Actually, he circles up top because that's where the open ice is, same thing Kucherov does and same play John Cooper ran on Team Canada and in Tampa with Kuch. Did you see the play of Marner ankle breaking Makar just last page, where was that play? Behind opposition net. This nonsense of he doesn't go down low and in the corners makes it quite easy to find the blind haters.

Did you see that play when Nylander was the first man back and broke up a rush? This nonsense of him never backchecking makes it quite easy to find the blind haters

 

[arso40]

You pay a premium for good players, plain and simple. I don’t think GM’s pay more for goal scorers per se. I think they pay more for net positive offensive players. Some GM’s may very well pay a premium for that. Every front office probably has their own formula of what they value as important to them when making signings. I think the premium by position is a stronger argument and is more supported through NHL signings, TBH.

My friend you just said he gets paid more than domi cause he scores more goals cause their playmaking looks pretty similar marners obviously the better player but domi himself is a good player so if their playmaking is similar the difference is on defence and goal scoring your saying?cause a while ago you highlighted goal scoring for the difference

 

[arso40]

Sound analysis right here.

Actually, he circles up top because that's where the open ice is, same thing Kucherov does and same play John Cooper ran on Team Canada and in Tampa with Kuch. Did you see the play of Marner ankle breaking Makar just last page, where was that play? Behind opposition net. This nonsense of he doesn't go down low and in the corners makes it quite easy to find the blind haters.

I did it was a nice little move behind the net even a broken is right twice a day I Believe the saying is or something to that effect

 

[francis246]

Did you see that play when Nylander was the
first man back and broke up a rush? This nonsense of him never backchecking makes it quite easy to find the blind haters

Classic deflection, when has @Smif said anything negative about Nylander

 

[Confucius]

Good player, worth every penny of the 11 we offer him,