We all know why. Because last year was a big outlier year for Domi in the one specific stat he's isolating.
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Dumb comparison ones a number one center the other is a top 6 winger at best not comparable
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He doesn't know what QoC is. You have to explain it to him. Even then there is no way you'll be getting any kind of reasonable analysis. Have fun.
Nope. Actually it was multiple stats on assists. All and primary total and per 60. All your favourite things.
Primary 5 on 5 scoring was the brilliant stat that made bunting better than McDavid.
When you are talking about Marner vs drai and rantanen. 5 on 5 is key. Now we are looking at stats showing Marner is a domi level player according to primary assists 5 on 5. Kinda silly way to evaluate players.
i guess Tre made a great deal. Marner level player in domi at 1/3 the price we paid for Marner
Domis not a 3c and he looked perfectly fine beside matthews so I’m not sure again what kinda stupid remark that was
If domi is a 3c why did we spend a first and greb on a soo called 3c?? You stop it
Lol Are you serious? Did you miss the sarcasm in me writing in caps that it's a BIG sample size?
When used one season last year to emphasize Domi was as good or better playmaker than Marner, I was told it was "too small a sample size."
Now that I’ve used two full seasons, it’s "why go back to the start of last season, why not just this one?"
The standard keeps changing to dismiss the data and fit the argument.
I'm not denying that Domi is a third-liner.
But Matthews was more productive with the third-liner than he was with Marner. Domi was more productive with Matthews than Marner was with Matthews. And by your own statement, Domi is a third-liner.
…See where this is going?
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This is what you're doing. "Since the beginning of last season Alex Steves has more G/60 and secondary assists/60 than Domi. He only makes $750k. He must be better than Domi." And to be completely fair, Domi is a pretty good playmaker. He's just absurdly inconsistent and weak at everything else especially scoring goals.
No, actually, the referenced post only included 5v5 primary assists per 60 during the time period that just so happened to be as small as possible while still including his outlier year in that stat.
Bunting was never better than McDavid. Sounds more like you don't know how to use these stats.
For any player, I'm looking at all point types, overall and in every individual game state, with context, in multiple forms. And that's just for production. Your statement just shows you don't listen.
So you're using a player with just 66 minutes of ice time to compare against my analysis based on 2,000 minutes? That’s quite the sample size difference. @francis246, interesting to see you backing that approach. I'll keep this in my back pocket for the next time you complain about sample sizes.
it shows How silly “primary 5 on 5” production is. You have argued clearly superior players are diminished based on pp stats. But when we take away Marner stats. He performs like domi.
Domi is a playmaker. You are devaluing playmakers now.
you claimed that Marner was held down because of his lack of PP time and not being allowed to play on top lines.
domi is just as much of a playmaker in Toronto using primary assists based on p/60 actually much better.
You are just misunderstanding stats and over inflating pp, TOI and being allowed to play with top lines.
Applying your ridiculous metrics to domi/marner they are similar.
Marner now at 18 games without a 5v5 primary assist.
Nylander was late on a change and Matthews and Knies came on and it took Nylander 10 seconds to set Knies up 5v5 for a goal.
Nylander was late on a change and Matthews and Knies came on and it took Nylander 10 seconds to set Knies up 5v5 for a goal.
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Needs 17 points in 13 games (1.307 PPG) to get to 100. He's at 1.22 PPG.
Sorry, that's not close to $13m value unless he's a 40+ goal scorer and he's not even close.
Sorry, that's not close to $13m value unless he's a 40+ goal scorer and he's not even close.
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Without a lot of work, it looks like his career average is a bit over 4 per game, and this year is the same. The year he had his lowest shooting % his shots per game were higher.
Read into that what you may.
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Sure it is when you factor his corsi by 2.6 parsecs divided by the high danger flux capacitance quantum. You can clearly see 14.16M x 8 is the droid we are looking for.
He's gone a bit cold lately no doubt.
Good thing we have Domi, the savior scoring at an 8 goal clip on the season now.
The flaws in the shooting percentage metric make it pretty unreliable for this sort of thing (doesn't count posts, crossbar, blocked, missed by an inch). Probably best off following the gut on this one.
Damn, that's pretty wild.
Baked into the 3.75 was definitely the upside that Domi was a cheap first line option for Matty. Chief never gave it a chance though. Same as Tanev with Rielly. Same as Lily. There was a lot that we didn't learn through the first half of the season that we could have.
Or maybe Berube is legit and he just knows. Let's see what the playoffs look like. Tre gave him a good team.
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Pretty sad when he may not beat last year's 9 goals after signing his deal. Hopefully he will earn his keep in the playoffs.
5v5 g/60 this season:
Marner 0.61/60
Domi 0.48/60
Over a full season it's about 11 goals vs 14 . Or 3 goal difference.
Yep tragic that 3.5 million dollar Domi would score 3 goals less than 14 million dollar Marner...while playing with scrubs vs Marner playing with first line talent.
Tavares with Marner vs with Nylander. See no reason to pay Marner more than Nylander. Tavares appears to be much better offensively with Nylander on his wing over Marner.
W/Marner:
G/60: 0.93
Points/60:2.32
Shots/60: 5.1
ixg/60: 0.53
Individual scoring chances per/60: 5.8
Individual high danger chances per/60:3.25
Pim/60: 3.25
Giveaways per/60: 3.48
Takeaways per/60: 1.16
W/Nylander:
G/60: 1.23,
Points/60:2.46
Shots/60:7.83
Igx/60:1.0
Individual scoring chances per/60: 9.23
Individual high danger chances per/60:4.92
Pim/60: 0
Giveaways per/60: 0.56
Takeaways per/60: 0.11
W/Marner:
G/60: 0.93
Points/60:2.32
Shots/60: 5.1
ixg/60: 0.53
Individual scoring chances per/60: 5.8
Individual high danger chances per/60:3.25
Pim/60: 3.25
Giveaways per/60: 3.48
Takeaways per/60: 1.16
W/Nylander:
G/60: 1.23,
Points/60:2.46
Shots/60:7.83
Igx/60:1.0
Individual scoring chances per/60: 9.23
Individual high danger chances per/60:4.92
Pim/60: 0
Giveaways per/60: 0.56
Takeaways per/60: 0.11
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