Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Yet Again
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thewave
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And Rantanen was being buffed by Mack. Nylander making it work with JT. Marner with the best goal scorer in the world right now. This year excluded
Aashir
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alot of good stuff here, although for the rates im not sure how you'd factor quality of competiton into it and how latter rounds wear and tear impact performances but nonetheless, still an eye opening stat, especially for the individual players.
I guess my question is why aren't the /60 stats translating into more points for our guys? For example marners Goals for/60 are higher than kucherov's, mackinnon's, and rantanen's but his ppg is much lower. Are we scoring a lot without them getting credit (G or A's) and if so why is it not the same for the other guys..are they more important to their team scoring? I understand players can make impacts offensively beyond the scoreboard, but at the superstar level i feel like a lot of the impact offensively WILL be on the scoreboard, especially for somewhat one way players in matthews and marner (sniper + playmaker).
Rantanen 38GP 49P (1.29) 21:32
Mackinnon 38GP 45P (1.18) 22:46
Makar 37GP 49P (1.32) 26:49
Barkov 55GP 45P (0.82) 21:59
Reinhart 55GP 33P (0.6) 21:21
Ekblad 52GP 19P (0.37) 23:19
Kucherov 34GP 40P (1.18) 20:45
Point 20GP 14P (0.7) 19:46
Hedman 33GP 29P (0.88) 24:41
Marner 25GP 25P (1.00) 22:59
Matthews 23GP 24P (1.04) 22:03
Rielly 25GP 21P (0.84) 23:52
from the stats marner doesn't play that much more/less than rantanen or kucherov and his GF/60 are around the same, so him sitting at 1.00 vs betweewn 1.18-1.29+ is a bit confusing to me.
what I am interpreting from these stats (could be wrong), is that florida's team doesn't rely on offence to win, because they both the goalsfor/60 and point production is low, but even moreso from their 3 forwards so when the team scores with them on (doesn't happen very often), they are getting points at a normal-ish rate considering how little they score with them on in general.
On the flip side Colorado depends a lot more on the 3 guys to play well and produce as both the goalsfor/60 and point production is high, so when the team scores with them on, they are the ones creating/finishing/setting up. Tampa falls in the middle with Toronto where their guys are scoring just as often as the other two, but the production isn't quite there, especially for toronto's case.
with their regular season performances and the way these stats are showing, M&M should settle closer to rantanen numbers but they aren't
on another note, the team stats are a bit astonishing, but I am guessing tavares and nylander are heavily carrying our goals from non top 3 leafs, all those guys you named + some others (Jarnkrok, Kerfott, etc....)are the definition of regular season players. They are perfect for getting you in.....and that's about it, they become utterly useless afterwards. And whilst in a long run yes our depth has choked hard, you'd think at some point the star power would put it together and go on a run based off of just them similar to the Oilers, not saying M&M need to be going McDrai levels, but the combination of JT+WN+MM+AM should've approach what those two are doing and they should've dragged their 3rd wheeler along for the ride, but that never happened.
But with Stolarz (and still Woll) in between the pipes we still have two legit playoff options, and a bit of a revamped dcore, i am hoping the bottom six should at least be a little better.
We will see how things go as the playoffs come around
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Goals per Game (G/GP)
Rantanen: 0.52Nylander: 0.47
Marner: 0.32
5v5 Goals per 60 (G/60)
Rantanen: 1.07Nylander: 0.94
Marner: 0.65
Power Play Goals per 60 (PP G/60)
Rantanen: 2.17Nylander: 1.88
Marner: 1.18
Not to mention Rantanen is a far bigger body, much harder to play against and has way better playoff metrics.
How hard was Marner's camp crashing out when they saw the Rantanen signing?
Yeah go test some free agency Mitch
Yeah go test some free agency Mitch
"Everything that doesn't agree with my opinion is biased!"TSN pro Leaf bias. Good one.
So objective and logical.
But but but but goaltending and Mackinnon!!!!
Marner PR crew going above and beyond today embarrasing themselves.
thewave
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They are shameless. The price is set. It's in the 12m range at the max realistically even less but will be more then WN.
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I mean the guy has 50 pts in 57 games, propped up by that Tampa series, yet some guys post stats trying to pretend he is some playoff hero
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If this is the case then Marner don’t let the door hit you on the way out. We don’t need you or your greed
If were still living in reality Marner is still worth less than Rantanen.
Definitely not Draisaitl or Mack money like a couple of the lunatics around here were trying to proclaim.
Then again this all might be moot cause it seems the possibility of Marner walking via ufa has really gotten some legs this past week
Yeah same group of posters who went total AWOL after the boston series then showed up again months later like nothing happened
ClarkSittler
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He has 11 career playoff goals and has never scored more than three in a single postseason. I get that he’s more of a playmaker, but if you're earning a top-10 NHL salary, the production needs to be better.
To be clear, I think he’s a good player overall, but not at his current price tag let alone $13-14 million a year. Given his underwhelming playoff performances, that kind of salary just isn’t justifiable.
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ClarkSittler
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Now that Rantanen is signed it will be Marner for sure.
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If Marner wants more then Rantanen he can chew rocks.
If his agent raises the tax issue you counter with making american dollars and spending canadian to live, thats a wash if not a net benefit on the canada side, not to mention the endorsement and legacy potential is far greater in Canada for a hockey player.
These guys say they want to stay in Toronto yet hold out as much as possible to squeeze an extra few hundred thousand. If Mitch wanted to endear himself to the market he would take 12 or even 11.75 (just above Willie) and smile about it.
And if he's terrible in playoffs again that number goes down.
If his agent raises the tax issue you counter with making american dollars and spending canadian to live, thats a wash if not a net benefit on the canada side, not to mention the endorsement and legacy potential is far greater in Canada for a hockey player.
These guys say they want to stay in Toronto yet hold out as much as possible to squeeze an extra few hundred thousand. If Mitch wanted to endear himself to the market he would take 12 or even 11.75 (just above Willie) and smile about it.
And if he's terrible in playoffs again that number goes down.
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Then I guess he's in a great position to decide where he'll play and for how much.
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I bet Marner pushed for Matthews money, if not more. That's a terrible job reading the room. Gives the Leafs a lot more leverage if Marner's preference is to stay here.
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Unless Mitch goes mental this postseason and puts the team on his back.....him and his Dad can take a long walk off a short pier for anything over 12
ClarkSittler
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Yep, which I was I believe he's long gone. Someone will pay him Matthew's numbers, probably Dubas.
If he doesn't perform in the clutch then let him walk.
