Player Discussion Mitch Marner - On Hiatus

[socko]

Surely Dubas wants him, but he blew all his money on Karlsson. We'll retain if you sweeten the pot Kyle. Draft schmaft.

 

[LeafEgo]

I don't see why you think the leafs have any control - explain how they can control Marner. I get they can leak stuff through the media and control his playing time/opportunity, but both of these options come with major repercussions.

Thats game theory in a nutshell. It is not in the best interests of either actor for both actors to lose - leverage is derived from avoiding that outcome.

It can be nuanced - if Marner is not part of the long term program does he get stat padding minutes over developing players? Or it can just get straight ugly.

It's just not a good idea for either party to go down that road if it becomes combative.

 

[Notsince67]

Lmao. The team can want whatever they want, but if Marner wants money above all else he'll have his own priorities. I doubt he's thinking about how he can benefit his team in UFA a year from now by taking less money, the premise sounds ridiculous, but you seem to want to keep Mitch so I guess it checks out.


What security? He already has full control and can pick his own destination if he chooses.

I'm referring to your 8th year comment

Lol 1-2 million for security. LeBron James spends 1 million on security. The Beckhams also spend 1 million.

Marner is probably spending max 100,000 for that Rocket Security guy. It's not even 24/7.

You are not even in the right universe in addressing my point. Put the drugs away. Not surprised

 

[LeafEgo]

They won't let him walk for nothing. If they can't trade him, they will resign him. It's the path of least resistance for the Leafs, and management seems to love that approach. Safe. If you don't do something risky, you can't be blamed for doing something risky.

The most risky path forward for Toronto is Marner committed to the team with a NMC for the next nine years, and at ~$100M.

 

[Evilhomer]

The most risky path forward for Toronto is Marner committed to the team with a NMC for the next nine years, and at ~$100M.

Depends how you look at it, right? For the team, that may the least risky outcome. A proven 90-100 point player locked up for term, and you hope that at some point the playoff pieces fall into place with him on the team. The alternative is the unknown of a trade, which carries tremendous potential risk (and obviously potential gain, as well). The GM is already wearing one of those with the Tkachuk trade, and it's not outlandish to suggest that it played a part in him losing his job. I think they should trade Marner, but I won't be surprised if they instead end up resigning him. The only outcome that I think is a certainty not to happen is Marner playing out his last year and signing somewhere else on July 1. I don't think there is any realistic scenario where that is the outcome.

 

[ACC1224]

Depends how you look at it, right? For the team, that may the least risky outcome. A proven 90-100 point player locked up for term, and you hope that at some point the playoff pieces fall into place with him on the team. The alternative is the unknown of a trade, which carries tremendous potential risk (and obviously potential gain, as well). The GM is already wearing one of those with the Tkachuk trade, and it's not outlandish to suggest that it played a part in him losing his job. I think they should trade Marner, but I won't be surprised if they instead end up resigning him. The only outcome that I think is a certainty not to happen is Marner playing out his last year and signing somewhere else on July 1. I don't think there is any realistic scenario where that is the outcome.

He didn’t lose his job in Calgary.

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[Evilhomer]

He didn’t lose his job in Calgary.

brad treliving leaves calgary - Google Search

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In my world, when you see the words "mutually part ways", it means someone was fired.

 

[BallardEra]

It could also be that Berube has told Shanahan and Treliving that he wants to see what he has in Marner and if he can make him a better player before moving on from him.

 

[ACC1224]

In my world, when you see the words "mutually part ways", it means someone was fired.

He turned down a contract extension

Treliving’s decision to bolt leaves Flames looking lost – Sportsnet.ca

www.sportsnet.ca

 

[LeafEgo]

Depends how you look at it, right? For the team, that may the least risky outcome. A proven 90-100 point player locked up for term, and you hope that at some point the playoff pieces fall into place with him on the team. The alternative is the unknown of a trade, which carries tremendous potential risk (and obviously potential gain, as well). The GM is already wearing one of those with the Tkachuk trade, and it's not outlandish to suggest that it played a part in him losing his job. I think they should trade Marner, but I won't be surprised if they instead end up resigning him. The only outcome that I think is a certainty not to happen is Marner playing out his last year and signing somewhere else on July 1. I don't think there is any realistic scenario where that is the outcome.

I think the timeline itself carries the largest weighted risk in this equation. There is no good way to protect the downside on that type of NMC commitment.

Your counter points are near term and involve hope. That cap could potentially be flexible for the next decade to produce different results than what we have experienced.

My understanding is that Tre didn't lose his job, the Flames lost Tre.

 

[The Masters]

Mitch will be traded. Either at the draft or after July 1st. Probably the latter due to his hefty signing bonus.

No use fretting about it.

shanny is too afraid

 

[socko]

shanny is too afraid

It's not too late to fire him like they should have done already.

 

[sunstersun]

So out of 3 options he's choosing the guaranteed lose option for the Leafs.

No extension - So no under value deal

No trade - So no assets

If he sucks - he walks, Leafs get nothing

If he's good, he walks, or the Leafs get assblasted in contract negotiations.

 

[Pinkcat]

So out of 3 options he's choosing the guaranteed lose option for the Leafs.

No extension - So no under value deal

No trade - So no assets

If he sucks - he walks, Leafs get nothing

If he's good, he walks, or the Leafs get assblasted in contract negotiations.

You are completely discounting the CAP space that will be recovered.
Personally I enjoyed watching regular season Marner, play-off Marner not so much. Signing Reaves didn't solve the issue with Marner so they are a better team with Marner's CAP re-allocated.

 

[sunstersun]

You are completely discounting the CAP space that will be recovered.
Personally I enjoyed watching regular season Marner, play-off Marner not so much. Signing Reaves didn't solve the issue with Marner so they are a better team with Marner's CAP re-allocated.

Sure, but I was dreaming of a top 6 and a 1st.

I'd rather him walk than sign him, but still whatever.

 

[Confucius]

So out of 3 options he's choosing the guaranteed lose option for the Leafs.

No extension - So no under value deal

No trade - So no assets

If he sucks - he walks, Leafs get nothing

If he's good, he walks, or the Leafs get assblasted in contract negotiations.

Some, maybe most are happy with the 11 million in cap space, some have said its addition by subtraction. So it’s a win for the leafs no matter what happens.

 

[thewave]

Surely Dubas wants him, but he blew all his money on Karlsson. We'll retain if you sweeten the pot Kyle. Draft schmaft.

Did he trade all of their picks away too? If not he is probably ready to do it now.

Thats game theory in a nutshell. It is not in the best interests of either actor for both actors to lose - leverage is derived from avoiding that outcome.

It can be nuanced - if Marner is not part of the long term program does he get stat padding minutes over developing players? Or it can just get straight ugly.

It's just not a good idea for either party to go down that road if it becomes combative.

MLSE will be scared to deal with him posting about mean tweets and the nusty curse words that a coach used in the past. He will complain about something and cry and say its not his fault that MLSE does not have a nice environment.

Some, maybe most are happy with the 11 million in cap space, some have said its addition by subtraction. So it’s a win for the leafs no matter what happens.

No we need a return. There should be a return.

 

[WTFMAN99]

He turned down a contract extension

Treliving’s decision to bolt leaves Flames looking lost – Sportsnet.ca

www.sportsnet.ca

Let's not have facts get in the way of things.

 

[hullsy47]

In my world, when you see the words "mutually part ways", it means someone was fired.

still not the nest gm in the world .hes obviously taking direction from shanahan .they are gonna run it back ,and maybe look worse as the other clubs ,detroit and jersey for sure will be better

 

[hullsy47]

It could also be that Berube has told Shanahan and Treliving that he wants to see what he has in Marner and if he can make him a better player before moving on from him.

the kid will crack .

 

[Arzak]

Really discouraging comment from EF. Why would the leafs be telling EF they already fear a bad return that they haven't negotiated yet?

Because they are not delusional about Marner's worth for other teams. He is bad in playoffs, contenders won't give you picks for a playoff run(1) and the rest can wait one year and keep the prospects/picks they would give away in Marner trade because one year is not worth selling your future now, if you are not a real contender...

 

[rumman]

Good news

Trading him = best option
Losing him for nothing = not good, but not the end of the world
Resigning him = utter madness

 

[Arzak]

Depends how you look at it, right? For the team, that may the least risky outcome. A proven 90-100 point player locked up for term, and you hope that at some point the playoff pieces fall into place with him on the team. The alternative is the unknown of a trade, which carries tremendous potential risk (and obviously potential gain, as well). The GM is already wearing one of those with the Tkachuk trade, and it's not outlandish to suggest that it played a part in him losing his job. I think they should trade Marner, but I won't be surprised if they instead end up resigning him. The only outcome that I think is a certainty not to happen is Marner playing out his last year and signing somewhere else on July 1. I don't think there is any realistic scenario where that is the outcome.

you mean point pacer, because he never had 100 points in a season. That's 90-100 point pacer playing with 60-70 goal Matthews.

Proven? Don't make me laugh, he can't carry a line. Without PRIME JT or Matthews, Mitch is not sniffing 90 points. Proven my ass.

 

[rumman]

shanny is too afraid

How Berube decides to use Marner will be a big factor in him waiving. Ice time, pp minutes, what line he plays on could have him begging to be moved by US Thanksgiving……….

It's not too late to fire him like they should have done already.

He’s coated in Teflon, wonder if it keeps his stink under control……..

 

[Arzak]

I'm referring to your 8th year comment


You are not even in the right universe in addressing my point. Put the drugs away. Not surprised

Are you also predicting he'll age poorly? I thought he'll get 100 points and cups elsewhere so he can ask for a proper raise later with a rising cap!

Not even you can imagine it? ROFL

Mitch needs to cash out on being glued to Matthews with an 8-year contract.