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Will Marner be traded this off season?

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I'm sure the Blue Jackets have about $9 million in cap space saved up to put Mitch on a line with Johnny Hockey. Call it the Blue Light Special line. Attention K-Mart shoppers, we won't be scoring any playoff goals because, well you know.
 
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57 Years No Cup said:
Hopefully your comment is meant to be sarcastic, because if it's not, you are an extremely naïve individual.

Apologies in advance.
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jaric1862 said:
Lebrun in the Athletic reports that, as of now, Marner intends on honouring his last year of the contract AND that he doesn't want to talk extension this offseason ... Boy, did we really screw ourselves over not trading him when we could. Total oversight by Shanahan. Marner will walk for nothing and get paid July 1 , 2025
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Good news
 
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francis246 said:
Exactly, means they can facilitate a trade or just walk away from him at the end of the season.
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They can’t facilitate a trade if Marner doesn’t waive his no-move clause. His camp is pigheaded and vindictive. Listen to everything that’s been said by the media to date. They’re not the type to co-operate with management to work something out.
 
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jaric1862 said:
Lebrun in the Athletic reports that, as of now, Marner intends on honouring his last year of the contract AND that he doesn't want to talk extension this offseason ... Boy, did we really screw ourselves over not trading him when we could. Total oversight by Shanahan. Marner will walk for nothing and get paid July 1 , 2025
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Thats not by choice more like reality, lol.

jaric1862 said:
They can’t facilitate a trade if Marner doesn’t waive his no-move clause. His camp is pigheaded and vindictive. Listen to everything that’s been said by the media to date. They’re not the type to co-operate with management to work something out.
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MM's camp is also greedy. Do you think they have confidence in MM turning his plays around in regular season and PLAYOFFS in order to get the 100Mil deal? There is a great chance that MM won't be playing with AM on a regular basis plus won't be the QB for PP1.
 
ACC1224 said:
Didn't their NMC's kick in at the same time?
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Mitch's was part of the contract signed by Dubas, and kicked in July I, 2023, apparently the first day possible according to the CBA.

Willy's existing contract did not have one. His extension included one, which became effective the day he signed it (Jan/24), again according to the CBA.
 
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jaric1862 said:
They can’t facilitate a trade if Marner doesn’t waive his no-move clause. His camp is pigheaded and vindictive. Listen to everything that’s been said by the media to date. They’re not the type to co-operate with management to work something out.
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Part of me wouldn’t mind seeing him refuse to waive.
 
Confucius said:
It is pretty much accepted teams overpay for a UFA. Why is that? Because you gain an asset at no cost to the organization so you pay that asset a little more to try and sway him to your team.
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Teams pay a surplus in FA because they are bidding against other teams. UFA's have no assets to bargain with so they are not part of the negotiation. If only one team is interested in a player in FA there will be no surplus.

NMacrules said:
What are you talking about? There is no "requirement" for Marner to work with Toronto. Wanting to play in Toronto was before the fans turned on him.

He has a NMC. He can play out the year and leave. Plain and simple. You might as well wrap your noggin around that because it could happen.


His card is the most important card of all. He can just leave after the year.
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Marner doesn't hold all the cards. On the face of it, he should have the upper hand, but even that's not necessarily true. These situations in real time are more nuanced than you describe them.

The Leafs are in full control of Marner for the duration of his contract so long as he is a Maple Leaf. They also hold the hammer in any three party transaction. Thats not nothing, and can be exploited.

Applying game theory, if the Leafs want Marner out, his best path is likely through cooperation.
 
jaric1862 said:
They can’t facilitate a trade if Marner doesn’t waive his no-move clause. His camp is pigheaded and vindictive. Listen to everything that’s been said by the media to date. They’re not the type to co-operate with management to work something out.
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It was all worked out to everyone’s satisfaction when the contract was negotiated. Who’s trying to weasel out of it now? Marner?
 
LeafEgo said:
Teams pay a surplus in FA because they are bidding against other teams. UFA's have no assets to bargain with so they are not part of the negotiation. If only one team is interested in a player in FA there will be no surplus.


Marner doesn't hold all the cards. On the face of it, he should have the upper hand, but even that's not necessarily true. These situations in real time are more nuanced than you describe them.

The Leafs are in full control of Marner for the duration of his contract so long as he is a Maple Leaf. They also hold the hammer in any three party transaction. Thats not nothing, and can be exploited.

Applying game theory, if the Leafs want Marner out, his best path is likely through cooperation.
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I don't see why you think the leafs have any control - explain how they can control Marner. I get they can leak stuff through the media and control his playing time/opportunity, but both of these options come with major repercussions.

Confucius said:
It was all worked out to everyone’s satisfaction when the contract was negotiated. Who’s trying to weasel out of it now? Marner?
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The Contract was extremely favourable for the player. The Leafs made all the concessions, Marner got all he wanted.
 
jaric1862 said:
I don't see why you think the leafs have any control - explain how they can control Marner. I get they can leak stuff through the media and control his playing time/opportunity, but both of these options come with major repercussions.



The Contract was extremely favourable for the player. The Leafs made all the concessions, Marner got all he wanted.
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So there should be no problem
 
jaric1862 said:
Lebrun in the Athletic reports that, as of now, Marner intends on honouring his last year of the contract AND that he doesn't want to talk extension this offseason ... Boy, did we really screw ourselves over not trading him when we could. Total oversight by Shanahan. Marner will walk for nothing and get paid July 1 , 2025
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They won't let him walk for nothing. If they can't trade him, they will resign him. It's the path of least resistance for the Leafs, and management seems to love that approach. Safe. If you don't do something risky, you can't be blamed for doing something risky.
 
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If they really go into the season, it's going to be the most unpleasant garbage we've had to deal with since... I dunno.. Marner's last contract negotiation.

Screw Shanny.
 
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