Mitch Marner discussion thread continued ..

[Doug Prishpreed]

It's not. What may have been the case 3 or 4 seasons ago isn't true today.

I'm comparing to other playoff teams, not the the Devils or Sabres. They're good enough to win, just not as good as the rest of the teams in round 2 whose wingers are being compared to Marner.

Just my two cents...I could very well be proven wrong next round, it happens all the time

 

[Dayjobdave]

Montreal is doing a good job of tying Marner up. Hopefully the Leafs get this series over with and Marner can light it up against Winnipeg. It definitely seems that he should simplify his game a bit and he will be more productive.

 

[supermann_98]

They'd add, not us.

You’re on crack if you think Marner at 10.9m over 6 years is worth more than Eichel at 10 over 8, not even taking into consideration that Eichel is a C, is bigger, faster, and can actually shoot a puck

 

[HellasLEAF]

Reg season performer.

Prove me wrong Mitch.

 

[Beyonder91]

This thread is pure comedy. I'm actually enjoying the fact that this small window has opened for the haters to pop up so I can come back and read it again in the future.
Lots of takes that offer absolutely ZERO context.

On a serious note...
The line is actually dominating out there. Out of all forward lines in the playoffs so far:

xGoals%: 2nd
xGoals/60: 2nd

Only Marchand-Bergeron-Pastrnak has been better. Coincidentally that is the line Marner has largely been matched up against for 14 of his career playoff games. (People like to forget this when talking about his playoff stats) Babcock actually used Marner in a shutdown role against them in the 2018-19 series which is exactly what Marner did at 5on5 with a large % of his zone starts being in the defensive zone. Yet people complained about him not producing enough points when he battled to a draw 5on5 against the best line in the league. I know people on here don't like to use context though...

The fact is they have just been snake bitten so far this series.

I personally think part of the problem is Hyman has had the puck on his stick too much which fits right into Montreal's game plan of defending the line by jamming up the middle and keeping the puck to the outside. Hyman circles around with the puck and ultimately turns it over or goes for his patented wrap around. His head is always down so he is not able to execute any passes to Marner or Matthews. Marner and Matthews prefer to be moving the puck around quickly together and with the points to confuse and create space/opportunites and Hyman has been prohibiting them from doing that too much so far IMO. The line is still dominating but our best players need to have the puck more.

 

[The Best Leafs Ever]

Utter Garbage, Pathetic, Trash, No skills.

 

[Gallagbi]

You’re on crack if you think Marner at 10.9m over 6 years is worth more than Eichel at 10 over 8, not even taking into consideration that Eichel is a C, is bigger, faster, and can actually shoot a puck

Eichel has an extra year and is owed an extra 25 million over that period compared to Marner (after his July 1 bonus) since Marner's deal is bonus heavy and he played the extra year in junior pushing back his ELC expiration.

Eichel also wants out and Buffalo isn't likely to receive a player anywhere near Marners quality and age in any other deal.

 

[Stonehands1990]

This thread is pure comedy. I'm actually enjoying the fact that this small window has opened for the haters to pop up so I can come back and read it again in the future.
Lots of takes that offer absolutely ZERO context.

On a serious note...
The line is actually dominating out there. Out of all forward lines in the playoffs so far:

xGoals%: 2nd
xGoals/60: 2nd

Only Marchand-Bergeron-Pastrnak has been better. Coincidentally that is the line Marner has largely been matched up against for 14 of his career playoff games. (People like to forget this when talking about his playoff stats) Babcock actually used Marner in a shutdown role against them in the 2018-19 series which is exactly what Marner did at 5on5 with a large % of his zone starts being in the defensive zone. Yet people complained about him not producing enough points when he battled to a draw 5on5 against the best line in the league. I know people on here don't like to use context though...

The fact is they have just been snake bitten so far this series.

I personally think part of the problem is Hyman has had the puck on his stick too much which fits right into Montreal's game plan of defending the line by jamming up the middle and keeping the puck to the outside. Hyman circles around with the puck and ultimately turns it over or goes for his patented wrap around. His head is always down so he is not able to execute any passes to Marner or Matthews. Marner and Matthews prefer to be moving the puck around quickly together and with the points to confuse and create space/opportunites and Hyman has been prohibiting them from doing that too much so far IMO. The line is still dominating but our best players need to have the puck more.

I don’t want to hear the snake bitten argument for another playoff series. These guys need to get it done in the playoffs

 

[Beyonder91]

I don’t want to hear the snake bitten argument for another playoff series. These guys need to get it done in the playoffs

At the end of the day you are right. They need to start finishing.

Just go through the thread though... Look at how ridiculous the posts are. You would think that Marner is just getting dominated out there when it is in fact the exact opposite. Also, almost no hate at all going towards Matthews when he hasn't produced at all either.

Bottom line... If they keep up their play the puck will start going in. It's only a matter of time and we have two more shots to close out the series. You'd think we already lost based on this thread.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

I'm comparing to other playoff teams, not the the Devils or Sabres. They're good enough to win, just not as good as the rest of the teams in round 2 whose wingers are being compared to Marner.

Just my two cents...I could very well be proven wrong next round, it happens all the time

Lol. Yeah you’re definitely not a Toronto guy. “It is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and prove it.”

 

[Thissiteisgarbage]

You’re on crack if you think Marner at 10.9m over 6 years is worth more than Eichel at 10 over 8, not even taking into consideration that Eichel is a C, is bigger, faster, and can actually shoot a puck

I'd take Eichel over Marner any day of the week.

 

[NiagaraKraken]

I'd trade Marner for Eichel so fast ... like faster than a speeding bullet. I would throw in whatever else it would take including a 1st and/or any of our prospects not named Robertson or Liljegren or Sandin

Id only do it if they choke this series yet again. Cmon Marner big game 6 let’s go!

 

[Trapper]

I don’t want to hear the snake bitten argument for another playoff series. These guys need to get it done in the playoffs

If they awarded the cup for xgoals, corsi, and chewing mouthguards then we probably wouldn’t have a 50+ year drought.

At the end of the day your franchise guys gotta deliver. Not kinda, almost.

We are paying 3.
One is hurt.
Thanks to Nylander, Muzzin and Campbell in the meantime.

 

[Racer88]

Aho has 5 goals, 7 points actually...he scored 2 last night, including the OT winner to eliminate the Preds.

He is a far better player then Marner.
Marner glittered everyone with all the razzle dazzle and took Dubas for a ride

 

[Jojalu]

At the end of the day you are right. They need to start finishing.

Just go through the thread though... Look at how ridiculous the posts are. You would think that Marner is just getting dominated out there when it is in fact the exact opposite. Also, almost no hate at all going towards Matthews when he hasn't produced at all either.

Bottom line... If they keep up their play the puck will start going in. It's only a matter of time and we have two more shots to close out the series. You'd think we already lost based on this thread.

Your last two posts are spot on.

If they get by Montreal, I have to believe all the chances Marner and Matthews are creqting are eventually going to start going in.

 

[Racer88]

This thread is pure comedy. I'm actually enjoying the fact that this small window has opened for the haters to pop up so I can come back and read it again in the future.
Lots of takes that offer absolutely ZERO context.

On a serious note...
The line is actually dominating out there. Out of all forward lines in the playoffs so far:

xGoals%: 2nd
xGoals/60: 2nd

Only Marchand-Bergeron-Pastrnak has been better. Coincidentally that is the line Marner has largely been matched up against for 14 of his career playoff games. (People like to forget this when talking about his playoff stats) Babcock actually used Marner in a shutdown role against them in the 2018-19 series which is exactly what Marner did at 5on5 with a large % of his zone starts being in the defensive zone. Yet people complained about him not producing enough points when he battled to a draw 5on5 against the best line in the league. I know people on here don't like to use context though...

The fact is they have just been snake bitten so far this series.

I personally think part of the problem is Hyman has had the puck on his stick too much which fits right into Montreal's game plan of defending the line by jamming up the middle and keeping the puck to the outside. Hyman circles around with the puck and ultimately turns it over or goes for his patented wrap around. His head is always down so he is not able to execute any passes to Marner or Matthews. Marner and Matthews prefer to be moving the puck around quickly together and with the points to confuse and create space/opportunites and Hyman has been prohibiting them from doing that too much so far IMO. The line is still dominating but our best players need to have the puck more.

Sure sounds like a bunch of excuses with a couple of meaningless stats thrown in for a pair of overpaid under producing players.
Scoring goals wins games and if you are payed that much of the cap you had better well contribute goals

 

[Racer88]

Snake bitten or bad luck is a poor excuse for poor execution.
Star players make their own luck

 

[LaPlante94]

Get Marner off Matthews line and put Nylander there. Nylander gets under appreciated because Marner puts up more assists but Nylander has always been the better play driver imo no matter who he has played with. I think Nylander makes our 1st line a lot deadlier and Marner can get some easier matchups 5v5 with Kerfoot and Galchenyuk.

 

[saffronleaf]

I don't even have high hopes or expectations. Just try a little here and there.

 

[saffronleaf]

You’re on crack if you think Marner at 10.9m over 6 years is worth more than Eichel at 10 over 8, not even taking into consideration that Eichel is a C, is bigger, faster, and can actually shoot a puck

only wildcard factor tho is Eichel's current injury

 

[saffronleaf]

At the end of the day you are right. They need to start finishing.

Just go through the thread though... Look at how ridiculous the posts are. You would think that Marner is just getting dominated out there when it is in fact the exact opposite. Also, almost no hate at all going towards Matthews when he hasn't produced at all either.

Bottom line... If they keep up their play the puck will start going in. It's only a matter of time and we have two more shots to close out the series. You'd think we already lost based on this thread.

That's the thing tho not much time left in the playoffs. If it takes them 3 more games to start scoring, then, well, that'll have to come next regular season.

 

[Makaveli]

Better do some damage tomorrow buds! I believe in you!

 

[supermann_98]

only wildcard factor tho is Eichel's current injury

Young strong healthy kid with an otherwise impressive injury history I’d easily roll the dice. Imagine Sandin slinging passes to Matthews and Eichel for one timers? Disgusting ... something Marner and his 8th grader slapshot just cannot come close to replicating

 

[Throw More Waffles]

This thread is pure comedy. I'm actually enjoying the fact that this small window has opened for the haters to pop up so I can come back and read it again in the future.
Lots of takes that offer absolutely ZERO context.

On a serious note...
The line is actually dominating out there. Out of all forward lines in the playoffs so far:

xGoals%: 2nd
xGoals/60: 2nd

Only Marchand-Bergeron-Pastrnak has been better. Coincidentally that is the line Marner has largely been matched up against for 14 of his career playoff games. (People like to forget this when talking about his playoff stats) Babcock actually used Marner in a shutdown role against them in the 2018-19 series which is exactly what Marner did at 5on5 with a large % of his zone starts being in the defensive zone. Yet people complained about him not producing enough points when he battled to a draw 5on5 against the best line in the league. I know people on here don't like to use context though...

The fact is they have just been snake bitten so far this series.

I personally think part of the problem is Hyman has had the puck on his stick too much which fits right into Montreal's game plan of defending the line by jamming up the middle and keeping the puck to the outside. Hyman circles around with the puck and ultimately turns it over or goes for his patented wrap around. His head is always down so he is not able to execute any passes to Marner or Matthews. Marner and Matthews prefer to be moving the puck around quickly together and with the points to confuse and create space/opportunites and Hyman has been prohibiting them from doing that too much so far IMO. The line is still dominating but our best players need to have the puck more.

No, I’m fed up of the lame excuses and projection insanity.

It’s far FAR past time putting up REAL results.

 

[supermann_98]

Reg season performer.

Prove me wrong Mitch.

I wish he played with a little more Dougie Gilmour piss n’ vinegar and passion, especially since that was his idol growing up