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Throw More Waffles said:
I wrote in another thread... but I wonder if ownership would accept this. Marner was paid FOURTY MILLION dollars for just his first 2 seasons (yes, his contract was THAT player friendly). He makes 24 million for the next four years. Eichel makes 50 million over the next 5 years.

I know mlse is rich and all... but at some point dozens of millions of dollars matter. 20 million for Babcock to sit on a couch as well.
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LOL Dubas sucks so hard. Imagine hiring someone to run your business and in a couple years not only is the business sucking to have any success but is also down millions of dollars.
 
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KuleminFan41 said:
Inherent problem with your argument. The Leafs had the 6th best power play in the league last season. You know what changed? The coaching

Well, were you complaining about poor coaching last season when the Leafs were 6th? I don't even necessarily disagree with what you're trying to say, but when you go from 6th to 16th after changing coaches, the problem isn't always going to be the player.

That's an odd way to look at things though. Marner is a play maker who makes players around him better because of his abilities to pass the puck. You can make comparisons of Marner to Kane, whom he outscored this season . Kane got his 10 million dollar contract, before he scored 46 goals, his career high. Before that he averaged in the mid 20's , which isn't far off from where Marner is averaging today. The point is, Kane's goal scoring didn't explode until he was 26, does that mean I'm saying Marner will take the same path, or is the same level of player, I'm not saying that. But I am saying is , we simply don't know how Marner's goal scoring abilities will evolve in the future and considering he scored more goals last season than the previous and in less games, there's some potential for growth there. I mean , how many people truly believed Nylander would score 31 goals 2 seasons ago? And Marner outscored him last season too. Marner has to evolve and get better, there's no denying that, but Marner does have the makings of an incredible hockey player who can live up to his contract, or at least make it closer .
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Kane scored 30 goals in his 3rd season and had 9 goals in 16 playoff games (1st year) and 10 goals in 22 games (2nd year, 1st team Cup, Cup winning goal).

Marner has 5 goals in 5 playoff years. 0 in the last 2. None on the PP in a year.
Not really the same, no.
 
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PromisedLand said:
LOL Dubas sucks so hard. Imagine hiring someone to run your business and in a couple years not only is the business sucking to have any success but is also down millions of dollars.
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Add in the fact that 2 of those players taking the big share of those millions failed to get the job done when it matters and 1 of those 2 has been unproductive for the last 3 years in the playoffs
 
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Trapper said:
Kane scored 30 goals in his 3rd season and had 9 goals in 16 playoff games (1st year) and 10 goals in 22 games (2nd year, 1st team Cup, Cup winning goal).

Marner has 5 goals in 5 playoff years. 0 in the last 2. None on the PP in a year.
Not really the same, no.
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Marner should not even be mentioned in the same sentence as Kane
 
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Racer88 said:
In the world of spread sheets, expected goals and GF’s I guess you do……..but in the real world the rest of us inhabit you do not
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He needs a column in his spreadsheet to check and see if the guy has a pre-existing back condition that caused the player to miss games right before you trade for him. Maybe that is too real worldish.... How is this guy not fired?
 
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The Iceman said:
MARNER
The 2nd highest paid winger in the NHL ($10.903M) has not scored a single powerplay goal in his last 73 games despite *leading his team* in TOI with the man advantage! That's a span of 1 year and 4 months.

and I am a marner fan but...
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I'm speechless.

Keefe needs to go as well
 
paulhiggins said:
Maybe Cliff can talk to Calgary again and arrange Blockbuster II. Put on your cowboy hat, Mitch!
Tkachuk + a D to even out the salaries.
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I would rather Draisaitl all day long over Tkachuk or Eichel.
How would Edmonton like Marner for McDavid?
 
Trapper said:
Kane scored 30 goals in his 3rd season and had 9 goals in 16 playoff games (1st year) and 10 goals in 22 games (2nd year, 1st team Cup, Cup winning goal).

Marner has 5 goals in 5 playoff years. 0 in the last 2. None on the PP in a year.
Not really the same, no.
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I know Kane scored 30, but it was an anomaly as he didn't score past 30 until he scored 46 goals 5 seasons later(though he had 29), thats why I specifically stated he was on average, mid to high 20 goal scorer. Scoring 30 goals once, doesnt necessarily make you a perennial 30 goal scorer. It wasn't until he was 26-27 when he scored 46 goals, that was his real goal scoring break out year because he's scored half his career goals in the past 5 seasons, compared to his first 8 seasons before the 46 goals . I also was specifically speaking in terms of regular season play, not the post season, so I'm not sure why you brought that up, or why you tried to say that I claimed Marner was the same, when I clearly stated otherwise. Please, don't lie about what I said so you can make a point. Like it or not, the fact remains, we still don't know where Marner's goal scoring development goes from here, he's only just turned 24. All we do know is, his goal scoring has improved, whether it improves to being a 30 goal scorer is entirely up in the air right now but judging by his stats this past season, 30 wasn't out of the realm of possibility(he was on pace for 29). Not sure why thats so difficult to understand.

Lumberg said:
I could be wrong but seems to me, like this year, it started out well, and then went to shyte
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I believe that was the case. It went to crap and the Leafs never could recover.
 
Stephen said:
Curious to see if Dreger gets a commission from the agencies. The advocacy he was doing for Hyman was the same playbook.

Moderately valuable Leaf plus free agency and a little fear mongering equals healthy salary bump.
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We’re just lucky Dubas cannot pay him 6x6, because we all know he would if he could!
 
Dreakmur said:
We’re just lucky Dubas cannot pay him 6x6, because we all know he would if he could!
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Non cap world, go right ahead!

It would actually be interesting to get a tally on how much the various Robidas Island, buy outs and and LTIR shenanigans has cost MLSE during the Shanaplan.
 
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