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The Shanaplan is a worse version of the Process lool.

Both looking like huge and epic fails with both the 76ers and the Leafs looking like thr biggest clowns of their respective sports
 
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Hard to believe what they are putting out there in the media guys if let's say Dubas was actually considering moving Marner he probably wouldn't say that to weaken his position. I would think all names are in play except Matthews and JT (because of the clause) unless our cap situation suddenly improves on its own which it won't.
 
So everybody is getting a free pass this year?

This organization is unbelievable sometimes...
We have to remember, its still very early and they aren't going to shop Marner, or Nylander or Rielly this soon after the playoffs. Let's see what happens at the draft and during free agency. As GM, Dubas has to play from as much of a position of strength as possible and letting the league know that he's shopping some of his best players, makes it harder to maximize the return.
 
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I wouldn't worry about the Pres position so much but Gorton and Boudreau would be who I would hire today if I had my way. Unfortunately Gallant was already hired, I would have interviewed him too.

Yup, would have been an excellent opportunity to indicate the status quo wasn't good enough.
 
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If the Leafs see fit to move Marner I would understand that. However, Imalso think he’s primed to have a huge year next year, at least at even strength.
 


Dubas unemployed next off-season, you heard it here first lol.

What's the point of even watching next year then? This team is either missing the playoffs or losing in round 1 to TB/BOS in the same fashion as usual

What a stupid ass team we cheer for. The only angle I could see is that Mitch's value is an all time low so they want to build it up before dealing him. Although I don't think Dubas would do that, I think he's actually going to go down with the big 4 for some insane reason
 

If anything, that just shows how awful our power play was. Marner is a part of it, but this also falls on coaching seeing as the Leafs finished 16th. The Leafs even finished 24th in PK. Our coaching simply was awful this season , can't pin the blame entirely on one player even if Marner choked
 
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If anything, that just shows how awful our power play was. Marner is a part of it, but this also falls on coaching seeing as the Leafs finished 16th. The Leafs even finished 24th in PK. Our coaching simply was awful this season , can't pin the blame entirely on one player even if Marner choked

Coaches have changed, assistants have changed, one thing hasn't - Mitch given top PP minutes
 
Trading Marner now after 2 disappointing playoffs where he registered 3 and 4 assists series in back to back years and Leaf losses without even scoring a goal in 18 straight, doesn't make him a player that would be highly sought after. Toss in one the worst contracts in the NHL, for a small non physical winger, adds negative value in trade, and any hope of getting fair market value is out the window.

Leafs management is putting on their best bravado that they plan on keeping him, but seriously what better options do they have?

Trade him for Eichel. With the injury risk, Eichel demanding a trade, and not having to pay Marner much in real dollars... It might work. Maybe even get them to do a three way to retain 1 mill.
 
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Trade him for Eichel. With the injury risk, Eichel demanding a trade, and not having to pay Marner much in real dollars... It might work. Maybe even get them to do a three way to retain 1 mill.
I wrote in another thread... but I wonder if ownership would accept this. Marner was paid FOURTY MILLION dollars for just his first 2 seasons (yes, his contract was THAT player friendly). He makes 24 million for the next four years. Eichel makes 50 million over the next 5 years.

I know mlse is rich and all... but at some point dozens of millions of dollars matter. 20 million for Babcock to sit on a couch as well.
 
If anything, that just shows how awful our power play was. Marner is a part of it, but this also falls on coaching seeing as the Leafs finished 16th. The Leafs even finished 24th in PK. Our coaching simply was awful this season , can't pin the blame entirely on one player even if Marner choked
When you are paid 11 million you should be able to rise above poor coaching
 
If anything, that just shows how awful our power play was. Marner is a part of it, but this also falls on coaching seeing as the Leafs finished 16th. The Leafs even finished 24th in PK. Our coaching simply was awful this season , can't pin the blame entirely on one player even if Marner choked
Terrible PP or not, to go that long without a goal, even off the ass, skate, whatever is terrible. And how many playoff games is it now?

You don’t pay a winger franchise money who can’t score goals.
 
Terrible PP or not, to go that long without a goal, even off the ass, skate, whatever is terrible. And how many playoff games is it now?

You don’t pay a winger franchise money who can’t score goals.
In the world of spread sheets, expected goals and GF’s I guess you do……..but in the real world the rest of us inhabit you do not
 
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Matthews as a UFA will probably asks for around $14 million on a long term deal...he was willing to do a long term deal with the Leafs for $13 million plus as a RFA...ridiculous greed. We have a bunch of greedy ba5tards...easy money, easy promotion, just like their GM...I'm sure they are looking forward to becoming UFAs to get more money.
If he asks for this and Marner feels like he is in the same ballpark they can both f...off.
 
His cap is 10.9.......in 8 days we will have paid him $40M since July 2019 :eek:
I wonder how many people in the entire world made $40 million over the past 2 years. He must be in the top 0.0000000000001%. And the guy held out in a nasty battle to milk every last solitary dime from money that comes out of his TEAMMATES pockets.
 
Coaches have changed, assistants have changed, one thing hasn't - Mitch given top PP minutes
Inherent problem with your argument. The Leafs had the 6th best power play in the league last season. You know what changed? The coaching
When you are paid 11 million you should be able to rise above poor coaching
Well, were you complaining about poor coaching last season when the Leafs were 6th? I don't even necessarily disagree with what you're trying to say, but when you go from 6th to 16th after changing coaches, the problem isn't always going to be the player.
Terrible PP or not, to go that long without a goal, even off the ass, skate, whatever is terrible. And how many playoff games is it now?

You don’t pay a winger franchise money who can’t score goals.
That's an odd way to look at things though. Marner is a play maker who makes players around him better because of his abilities to pass the puck. You can make comparisons of Marner to Kane, whom he outscored this season . Kane got his 10 million dollar contract, before he scored 46 goals, his career high. Before that he averaged in the mid 20's , which isn't far off from where Marner is averaging today. The point is, Kane's goal scoring didn't explode until he was 26, does that mean I'm saying Marner will take the same path, or is the same level of player, I'm not saying that. But I am saying is , we simply don't know how Marner's goal scoring abilities will evolve in the future and considering he scored more goals last season than the previous and in less games, there's some potential for growth there. I mean , how many people truly believed Nylander would score 31 goals 2 seasons ago? And Marner outscored him last season too. Marner has to evolve and get better, there's no denying that, but Marner does have the makings of an incredible hockey player who can live up to his contract, or at least make it closer .
 
What's the point of even watching next year then? This team is either missing the playoffs or losing in round 1 to TB/BOS in the same fashion as usual

What a stupid ass team we cheer for. The only angle I could see is that Mitch's value is an all time low so they want to build it up before dealing him. Although I don't think Dubas would do that, I think he's actually going to go down with the big 4 for some insane reason
This is exactly what I think also. Dubas is the type who would rather go down with the ship rather than admit he’s wrong. I can only hope that we’re not looking at another rebuild in the next few years because of him.
 
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