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I really can’t see why people keep defending Marner and even AM. Both of them didn’t come through. Maybe it was an injury issue with AM but still Kuch, Hedman, Weber and Price all played with injuries.
Marner just didn’t play well, heck, he played like crap and using regular season stats to defend him actually is making it worse.
I could careless if McDavid and others didn’t do well in the playoffs bc they don’t play for the Leafs.
I want Marner to challenge Kuch as the best winger in Hockey. Unless being 4th highest points in the league means a few tiers below Kuch, that’s not unreasonable.
Most importantly, Leafs needs results.
It is not about winning a round or two, it is about winning the Cup.
Personally, I think AM, Marner, JT and Willie are great players but can they lead the team to win a Cup? Willie is the only one after turning pro who played a major role in his team winning(Sweden in WC). The others even JT(He didn’t play a major role for Team Canada) had not done it yet.
 
The Hanging Jowl said:
Not sure why you think it's a coin toss (not me, the Leafs were the far better team) but using the coin toss logic, the Leafs only had a 12.5% chance of losing that series once they were up 3-1. Doesn't make me feel any better.
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These odds don't mean much of anything.

They're rating the probability of winning 3 games. .5*.5*.5 or .125.

If each game is a coin toss the habs had to win 3 tosses. Or so it's 50 50 for the first game 1 in 4 by the second and 1-8 or 12.5% by the end.

The real odds were corrected to say each game was a coin toss which is what we got.

These same odds applied to Vegas and Habs.
 
kb said:
McDavid: 1W, 7L
Marner: 5W, 7L
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Last I looked McDavid has gotten out of the 1st round at least once and signed a contract that could be described as "team friendly"

Marner done either of those?

Also I'm pretty bloody tired of Marner being compared to other failures, we pay him extremely well to perform and when the pressure comes on he disappears

**** Paying him 11M a year for that
 
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kb said:
McDavid: 1W, 7L
Marner: 5W, 7L
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Not sure what that has to do with anything. The poster said McDavid still hasn't figured out the playoffs yet, comparing him to Marner. As a team the Oilers and the Leafs have not figured it out yet, but McDavid still put up his usual ppg. Marner didn't.
 
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myleafs said:
Not sure what that has to do with anything. The poster said McDavid still hasn't figured out the playoffs yet, comparing him to Marner. As a team the Oilers and the Leafs have not figured it out yet, but McDavid still put up his usual ppg. Marner didn't.
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When people bring up team stats when discussing individual players, it pretty much tells you that they're out of arguments and the discussion has gone off the rails.
 
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DuckyGirard said:
Could be wrong but are vegas also suffering through the same mental crisis?

The team didn't choke, the fans treated the habs like a joke. And can't take responsibility for this. Vegas beat out the cup favorites, habs beat out them. Use logic.

An entire portion of the fanbase is getting on with some absurd irrational tangent that has nothing to do with the team.

Guys are literally pushing for billion dollar decisions to be made, to correct for their made up circular logic.
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If anyone from LVK is having a mental crisis over making the playoffs 4/4 years with a cup final and conference final god help them if they ever have a Leafs style streak of futility
 
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Mitch Marner on the PK last year:

44 NHL forwards registered 100+ PK minutes last year, including Marner.

Here is how he ranked against the rest of the top first line PKers in the league:

Fewest shot attempts against: 1st out of 44, 7th out of 44 REL
Fewest shots against: 2nd out of 44, 4th out of 44 REL
Fewest scoring chances against: 5th out of 44, 5th out of 44 REL
Fewest high danger chances against: 2nd out of 44, 2nd out of 44 REL
Lowest expected goals against: 1st out of 44, 1st out of 44 REL

Gonna miss having Hyman there this year though but statistically, Marner was certainly one of the best PK forwards in the league last year. Let's hope he keeps it up with whoever he is paired with.
 
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kb said:
McDavid: 1W, 7L
Marner: 5W, 7L
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LaPlante94 said:
Other than Draisatl does McDavid have anyone on the level of Tavares and Nylander on his team?
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I always thought we are better than the Oilers. Why are we even comparing ourselves to the Oilers?

If people can take comfort in Mack, McDavid for not advancing and that it is okay for Marner and others to do the same, great for you. I guess you are so used to losing that you forgot what it feels like to enjoy Winning the Championships.
 
Zybalto said:
Mitch Marner on the PK last year:

44 NHL forwards registered 100+ PK minutes last year, including Marner.

Here is how he ranked against the rest of the top first line PKers in the league:

Fewest shot attempts against: 1st out of 44, 7th out of 44 REL
Fewest shots against: 2nd out of 44, 4th out of 44 REL
Fewest scoring chances against: 5th out of 44, 5th out of 44 REL
Fewest high danger chances against: 2nd out of 44, 2nd out of 44 REL
Lowest expected goals against: 1st out of 44, 1st out of 44 REL

Gonna miss having Hyman there this year though but statistically, Marner was certainly one of the best PK forwards in the league last year. Let's hope he keeps it up with whoever he is paired with.
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And yet the Leafs PK sucked.
 
Zybalto said:
Mitch Marner on the PK last year:

44 NHL forwards registered 100+ PK minutes last year, including Marner.

Here is how he ranked against the rest of the top first line PKers in the league:

Fewest shot attempts against: 1st out of 44, 7th out of 44 REL
Fewest shots against: 2nd out of 44, 4th out of 44 REL
Fewest scoring chances against: 5th out of 44, 5th out of 44 REL
Fewest high danger chances against: 2nd out of 44, 2nd out of 44 REL
Lowest expected goals against: 1st out of 44, 1st out of 44 REL

Gonna miss having Hyman there this year though but statistically, Marner was certainly one of the best PK forwards in the league last year. Let's hope he keeps it up with whoever he is paired with.
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Didn’t even get mentioned for Selke did he? I didn’t even realize he had defensive numbers like that.
 
Gabriel426 said:
I always thought we are better than the Oilers. Why are we even comparing ourselves to the Oilers?

If people can take comfort in Mack, McDavid for not advancing and that it is okay for Marner and others to do the same, great for you. I guess you are so used to losing that you forgot what it feels like to enjoy Winning the Championships.
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Man I’m 57 and I don’t remember championships .Was born in 64. Quinn and Burns had the best teams. Ever since its been sh!t. Dubas is taking baby steps while our players get older. Not good. Just build a bunch of decent players around your stars that are nasty pr!cks to play against and its a team you can be proud of win,lose or tie. (I miss tie games) they were so funto argue about ha
Three years before Dubas learns you have to insulated your star players. He is a up and comer that thought he was smarter than the game. Failures say otherwise and he still perpetuates the false belief in his inability to beef up the team properly. I like character guys with balls. A Bunch of smirky little cowards doesn’t cut it for a hockey team at bantam let alone this noise we were tortured with.
Dubas and Keefe have to learn that the first time a team runs your stars you run out fighters to clean up the mess. If anyone on this board doesn’t realize this by now well then, they just don’t know hockey.
Matthews getting scruffed around and smiling at the refs afterwards is embarrassing. I lost respect for him. Marner couldn’t beat his way out of a wet paper bag and pretends it’s ok to be scared. No it’s not ok to be yellow. I would lose it watching acts of dishonour and yellowtail we see from most this team if i was running it.
I would definitely trade a coward players.
 
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Wafflewhipper said:
Man I’m 57 and I don’t remember champuonships.Was born in 64. Quinn and Burns had the best teams. Ever since its been sh!t
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Burns team reminds me of Islanders and Bruins. Not the most talented teams but the whole team just played hard.
Quinn’s team was great and they were really beaten by better teams.
 
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Gabriel426 said:
And yet the Leafs PK sucked.
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Think we already solved the problem last season

Toronto NHL ranking on the PK last year:

4th fewest shot attempts/60
7th fewest shots against/60
11th fewest scoring chances allowed/60
5th fewest High Danger chances allowed/60
5th fewest expected goals/60

Maybe you are talking about this?

Toronto goals allowed/60 on the PK: 22nd fewest in the NHL.

You should probably consider these numbers:

Campbell save% on the PK: .913 in 88 minutes. Elite for a Starter, One of the best in the league.
Hutch save% on the PK: .880 in 27 minutes. Great for a backup goaltender. Above average.
Andersen save% on the PK: .793 in 127 minutes: One of the top 10 worst save % on the PK for a starter in 15 years (maybe longer, I stopped looking at that point)

Its pretty obvious what the issue was no?
 
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Zybalto said:
Mitch Marner on the PK last year:

44 NHL forwards registered 100+ PK minutes last year, including Marner.

Here is how he ranked against the rest of the top first line PKers in the league:

Fewest shot attempts against: 1st out of 44, 7th out of 44 REL
Fewest shots against: 2nd out of 44, 4th out of 44 REL
Fewest scoring chances against: 5th out of 44, 5th out of 44 REL
Fewest high danger chances against: 2nd out of 44, 2nd out of 44 REL
Lowest expected goals against: 1st out of 44, 1st out of 44 REL

Gonna miss having Hyman there this year though but statistically, Marner was certainly one of the best PK forwards in the league last year. Let's hope he keeps it up with whoever he is paired with.
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Great? I'm pretty sure the team isn't paying him 11M dollars a year for his stellar PK ability

He's getting paid a premium and we as a fan base should expect premium results, he needs to score like a highly paid superstar during the playoffs

Anything else is unacceptable, the same goes for any of the big 4
 
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Zybalto said:
Mitch Marner on the PK last year:

44 NHL forwards registered 100+ PK minutes last year, including Marner.

Here is how he ranked against the rest of the top first line PKers in the league:

Fewest shot attempts against: 1st out of 44, 7th out of 44 REL
Fewest shots against: 2nd out of 44, 4th out of 44 REL
Fewest scoring chances against: 5th out of 44, 5th out of 44 REL
Fewest high danger chances against: 2nd out of 44, 2nd out of 44 REL
Lowest expected goals against: 1st out of 44, 1st out of 44 REL

Gonna miss having Hyman there this year though but statistically, Marner was certainly one of the best PK forwards in the league last year. Let's hope he keeps it up with whoever he is paired with.
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Hopefully, he's not a regular PKer next season, regardless of how effective he is there.

He needs to have his ice time cut by about 3 minutes per game, and starting with the 2 he spent on the PK seems like the best place to start.
 
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Dreakmur said:
Hopefully, he's not a regular PKer next season, regardless of how effective he is there.

He needs to have his ice time cut by about 3 minutes per game, and starting with the 2 he spent on the PK seems like the best place to start.
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why?
 
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