Mitch Marner Discussion Continued

[Porkleaker]

I wouldn't be too hard on Marner, even McDavid hasn't figured out the playoffs yet, at least not with the way the refs basically let everything go against star players.
They both need to find their next level of intensity and realize if you ever want to win a cup you need to get the shit beaten out of you physically and not let it phase you.

Better luck to both of them in the coming season and playoffs

 

[cannucky]

Sort of sums up the team as a whole. Marner is the most extreme example of course so he's sort of the poster boy ATM for this failing franchise.

I believe the phrase you are looking for is Whipping Boy , poster boy would be a positive light

 

[Gary Nylund]

I believe the phrase you are looking for is Whipping Boy , poster boy would be a positive light

Poster boy for a failing franchise is hardly a positive thing

 

[Kiwi]

I believe the phrase you are looking for is Whipping Boy , poster boy would be a positive light

You know what stops a player becoming a whipping boy?

Standing up and being counted when the team needs him most

 

[Melrose Munch]

can't trade him now...

 

[Stephen]

There's no Marner trade coming up in the foreseeable future. The Leafs stuck to their guns and the pressure to make a big move has probably diminished this late into the offseason. Keeping Marner will either pay off, or they're going off the cliff a la Thelma and Louise.

 

[DuckyGirard]

I wouldn't be too hard on Marner, even McDavid hasn't figured out the playoffs yet, at least not with the way the refs basically let everything go against star players.
They both need to find their next level of intensity and realize if you ever want to win a cup you need to get the shit beaten out of you physically and not let it phase you.

Better luck to both of them in the coming season and playoffs

Could be wrong but are vegas also suffering through the same mental crisis?

The team didn't choke, the fans treated the habs like a joke. And can't take responsibility for this. Vegas beat out the cup favorites, habs beat out them. Use logic.

An entire portion of the fanbase is getting on with some absurd irrational tangent that has nothing to do with the team.

Guys are literally pushing for billion dollar decisions to be made, to correct for their made up circular logic.

 

[Racer88]

Could be wrong but are vegas also suffering through the same mental crisis?

The team didn't choke, the fans treated the habs like a joke. And can't take responsibility for this. Vegas beat out the cup favorites, habs beat out them. Use logic.

An entire portion of the fanbase is getting on with some absurd irrational tangent that has nothing to do with the team.

Guys are literally pushing for billion dollar decisions to be made, to correct for their made up circular logic.

I’m pretty sure the fans are just pushing for some kind of success, an end to the 17 year legacy of playoff failure.
Some sort of real evidence that this team is actually getting better not just expected this expected that nonsense

 

[Mess]

There's no Marner trade coming up in the foreseeable future. The Leafs stuck to their guns and the pressure to make a big move has probably diminished this late into the offseason. Keeping Marner will either pay off, or they're going off the cliff a la Thelma and Louise.

As long as current management status remains unchanged this situation will remain unchanged and status quo.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Marner for Eichel straight up. They're in a bad position and it's probably the best deal they will get. We need a shakeup and Eichel has some give-a-shit to his game that we're missing.

 

[Amadeus]

Marner for Eichel straight up. They're in a bad position and it's probably the best deal they will get. We need a shakeup and Eichel has some give-a-shit to his game that we're missing.

Buffalo should do this deal as they won't be getting a player comparable to Marner back in any trade for Eichel.

Toronto needs to vet Eichels medicals thoroughly before considering.

 

[cannucky]

Poster boy for a failing franchise is hardly a positive thing

McDavid is the poster boy for the Oilers , is that a knock on McDavid ? reading comprehension counts eh !

And now back to being on time out .....

 

[Gary Nylund]

McDavid is the poster boy for the Oilers , is that a knock on McDavid ? reading comprehension counts eh !

And now back to being on time out .....

What I said was - "he's sort of the poster boy ATM for this failing franchise."

I'm surprised that anyone could see that as a positive thing but you did and that's fine. I clarified that that's not what I meant at all, no need for you to be upset and respond with insults.

 

[Stephen]

McDavid is the poster boy for the Oilers , is that a knock on McDavid ? reading comprehension counts eh !

And now back to being on time out .....

To clarify, "Poster Boy" is used to refer to someone who epitomizes or represents "something." That "something" can be positive or negative, so in and of itself the term is neutral.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

McDavid is the poster boy for the Oilers , is that a knock on McDavid ? reading comprehension counts eh !

And now back to being on time out .....

FYI, poster boy just means a really obvious and good example of someone that matches whatever you're talking about. It can be good, bad or in between. It doesn't mean the Tiger Beat hearthrobs girls hung on their walls in the 80s.

 

[DuckyGirard]

I’m pretty sure the fans are just pushing for some kind of success, an end to the 17 year legacy of playoff failure.
Some sort of real evidence that this team is actually getting better not just expected this expected that nonsense

You have the evidence, almost doing someone vegas couldn't do is a pretty big sign.

 

[Gabriel426]

FYI, poster boy just means a really obvious and good example of someone that matches whatever you're talking about. It can be good, bad or in between. It doesn't mean the Tiger Beat hearthrobs girls hung on their walls in the 80s.

You probably lost 90% of people when you mentioned Tiger Beat, lol.

 

[Racer88]

You have the evidence, almost doing someone vegas couldn't do is a pretty big sign.

I’m not thinking chocking away a 3-1 lead to a team that we all can agree was punching above it’s weight class is not really evidence. On paper we should have beaten the Habs especially when we had them in the ropes.
That game 7 when everything was on the line was one of the worst games we have seen out of them in the last 5 years……that is not improvement

 

[DuckyGirard]

I’m not thinking chocking away a 3-1 lead to a team that we all can agree was punching above it’s weight class is not really evidence.

That's exactly how logic and reason works.

On paper we should have beaten the Habs especially when we had them in the ropes.

You take it for granted we should of beaten them, despite them beating vegas, who beat the AVS?

That game 7 when everything was on the line was one of the worst games we have seen out of them in the last 5 years……that is not improvement

You every think irrational narratives may be half the reason the leafs have been so trapped?

If there was ever a stay the course year this was it. And people are acting as if it were the last straw. It's completely irrational.

The habs didn't get swept in the second round.

The leafs dominated a large part of the season.

Putting 3 eggs in one basket is risky, but it doesn't mean it wouldn't have worked.

The fact your top 3 weren't on all cylinders does nothing to make them bad when they are on all cylinders.

Over reacting to single game is exactly the kind of over correction that'll kill a team.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

You take it for granted we should of beaten them, despite them beating vegas, who beat the AVS?

You go up 3-1 in a best of 7 series in ANY sport your expectation should be to f***ing finish the job and win the damn thing. End of story. I don't give a shit if Montreal swept a flawed Jets team or beat a Vegas team that lacks a #1C, Toronto needed ONE win in the final three games to move on and they couldn't do it. And our two poster boys pulled the greatest disappearing act since Houdini.

 

[DuckyGirard]

You go up 3-1 in a best of 7 series in ANY sport your expectation

That's bro logic.

If it's a coin toss, win loss order doesn't matter.

should be to f***ing finish the job and win the damn thing. End of story. I don't give a shit if Montreal swept a flawed Jets team or beat a Vegas team that lacks a #1C,

I know you don't give a shit, you think Jets are flawed after sweeping the Oilers, Vegas beat out the Avs but they are crap too.

Do you not see how much emotion you're putting into this?

A good team can lose, especially when their strategy is based around around a tripod missing 1 and half legs. Being a leafs fan doesn't make the sport less competitive. If you win a cup it's typically through high risk rosters. The tripod is a risky gamble but really isn't. The odds of losing 1 of your top 3 is the same as losing 2 of your top 6. Yes losing 1/3rd is devastating, but when they aren't injured your team is incredibly resistant against injury.

Toronto needed ONE win in the final three games to move on and they couldn't do it. And our two poster boys pulled the greatest disappearing act since Houdini.

Matthews had a bad wrist, obviously that would of been at its worst in game 7.

Marner under performed and that's just how things go.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

You probably lost 90% of people when you mentioned Tiger Beat, lol.

I was going to say Leif Garrett or Sean Cassidy but I went for a bigger target audience

 

[Gary Nylund]

If there was ever a stay the course year this was it. And people are acting as if it were the last straw. It's completely irrational.

The habs didn't get swept in the second round.

The leafs dominated a large part of the season.

Putting 3 eggs in one basket is risky, but it doesn't mean it wouldn't have worked.

The fact your top 3 weren't on all cylinders does nothing to make them bad when they are on all cylinders.

Over reacting to single game is exactly the kind of over correction that'll kill a team.

The first bolded:
After not even competing in the series deciding game for the 4th straight year, I'd say the opposite of what you say is true.

The second bolded:
Playing well for large parts of the regular season is zero consolation for under performing year after year in the playoffs. If you don't care that they consistently suck in the playoffs then that's nice for you I guess. I on the other hand do care, so do many other people.

The third bolded:
It's not a single game, it's 4 consecutive series deciding games. It's the 4 most important games we've played in the last 4 years. It's not just that we've lost those games, it's that we were never even really in those games. It's that for 4 years in a row, when the stakes are the highest, we look like we don't know the meaning of the word compete.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

That's bro logic.

If it's a coin toss, win loss order doesn't matter.

Not sure why you think it's a coin toss (not me, the Leafs were the far better team) but using the coin toss logic, the Leafs only had a 12.5% chance of losing that series once they were up 3-1. Doesn't make me feel any better.

 

[myleafs]

I wouldn't be too hard on Marner, even McDavid hasn't figured out the playoffs yet, at least not with the way the refs basically let everything go against star players.
They both need to find their next level of intensity and realize if you ever want to win a cup you need to get the shit beaten out of you physically and not let it phase you.

Better luck to both of them in the coming season and playoffs

last 2 playoffs
McDavid 8gms 6g 7a 13pts
Marner 12gms 0g 8a 8 pts