The Hanging Jowl
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By that logic all of the stats you post are irrelevant. Just sayin'.
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By that logic all of the stats you post are irrelevant. Just sayin'.
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When you’ve been consistently wrong about the past and present the future is all that’s left.
Future here is always fantastic until it becomes the present.
Future here is always fantastic until it becomes the present.
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Unless, of course, certain stats are more relevant to future wins than others.
But yeah, everything we post is irrelevant.
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I brought up the subject, and I'm staying on it. Seems you're having trouble following tho.
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Winning a cup is great. It was amazing when thr Raps won the championship too. But as a raps fan that is irrelevant now.
The only thing that matters now is how much our teams win going forward.
As for Keefe - the leafs have never been better defensively than they have been since he took over. So it comes down to how much blame Keefe deserves for our top forwards not scoring in the playoffs.
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If the only stat that actually matters is FUTURE wins, then it follows that all other stats are irrelevant and the thousands of stats you've posted here over the years are irrelevant. I hope that helps.
You should understand that you said makes no sense and the more you try to spin it, the sillier you look.
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Except it's not irrelevant at all. I proudly wear my championship T-shirt and cap and I enjoy reminiscing about how it all happened and so do literally millions of Raptor fans.
Not if those other metrics are helpful in understanding the best path towards future wins.
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Everything we talk about here is discussing the likelihood of future wins, the only thing that matters.
And yes, everything we post here is irrelevant to that.
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That's great. That championship has zero relevance to the current team, though, and I sure hope our GM isn't sitting and reminiscing about it.
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Oh I'm sure he does indeed reminisce about it. It's an enjoyable thing to do and there's nothing wrong with enjoying life every now and then so why wouldn't he? I'm sure he also often thinks about knowledge gained from that championship and uses it when working on the current team in the same way he pays attention to those same stats that you say are irrelevant, that is to say, stats that aren't "future stats".
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Oh I'm sure he does indeed reminisce about it. It's an enjoyable thing to do and there's nothing wrong with enjoying life every now and then so why wouldn't he? I'm sure he also often thinks about knowledge gained from that championship and uses it when working on the current team in the same way he pays attention to those same stats that you say are irrelevant, that is to say, stats that aren't "future stats".
Yes I'm also sure he uses all the knowledge he's gleaned to help with the focus of the only part of his job that matters - attaining future wins.
Or the past,When you’ve been consistently wrong about the past and present the future is all that’s left.
Future here is always fantastic until it becomes the present.
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Future stats are coming now eh awesome. Can i just have a list of the games we are going to win. Actually I’ll take every games score if thats ok
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I am 100% sure Raps fans still think winning the Championship is relevant just like Bulls fans with their 6 titles. That’s pretty disrespectful to the players and fans for staying past Championship is irrelevant.
There is no doubt whatever happened in the past doesn’t guarantee success in the future but it doesn’t mean it means nothing.
Wins is the most important stat in any sports and I don’t understand why you need to add Future in front of it. As I am pretty sure when others and I are discussing Wins, we weren’t talking about past wins. If that’s make you feel smarter or go to sleep at night easier, you need to relax.
As for Keefe, like all coaches and human, he got strengths and weaknesses. I don’t see why fans or anyone can’t point to his short comings but only allow to praise him. Same with players, if the players played great, we all go-he did well and I don’t understand why some will point to other credits to discredit good plays. And when the players didn’t perform, they deserve criticisms and not excuses for why they choked.
It is all about accountability.
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People mistake overrating others and minimizing the accomplishments of our own as somehow keeping it real.
Matthews is in the conversation. Toronto is hated league wide but he still got 2nd in the Hart.
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Matthews is a phenomenal player. To me McDavid the the clear cut #1 most valuable asset in the NHL today, who's #2 isn't clear but Matthews is absolutely in the conversation.
AM is a great player, I just don’t think he is Kuch’s level or Mack’s level yet.
Kuch won Hart or was it Art Ross two seasons ago and he just won the Conn Symthe.
Saying AM is not as good as Kuch or Mack is not the same as saying AM is a bad player.
If someone comes out and say Barkov is a better player than AM, that’s very different than saying Kuch is better than AM.
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Those are all great players for sure. I don't feel qualified to choose between them so I don't really have a strong opinion here beyond that.
How about Panarin? Is he better than Kucherov?
You switch the two of them and he might be the one winning all the awards because he's tied to that great Tampa team right?....and Kucherov might be seen in the same light as Panarin....one of the best wingers in the league...fullstop.
Hockey is such a team game that it's tough to judge players based on winning accomplishments in the era of a now 32 team league and the cap to boot.
Many people would say that wingers (and dmen/goalies to an extent) dont even deserve to be in the conversation against centers too, even if they are the best wingers in the league. Its why many of the top 5 lists consist of 5 elite centers.
Would you say the same if Kuch is playing for the Leafs and won back to back Cups?
I guess we just have to agree to disagree.
Its not hard to look back at what Tampa fans were saying about Kuch 3 years ago after the Bolts got swept out by Panarins Jackets in the first round and Kuch had a meltdown of epic proportions in the series. Pulled a Kadri and embarrassed his team even more. You cant get much worse than that.
Then Tampa tinkered with the lineup and it all came together since then. Almost the exact same team with the exact same core but very different results. Thats playoff hockey though. One big save, one giveaway or one stupid penalty makes all the difference in such a small sample.
Well he did won the Hart, Ted Lindsey and Art Ross that year and TB won the President Trophy.
They also learned how to win in the playoffs after getting swept by BJs, since they won 8 series since the sweep. Pretty much they worked harder than before and worked on their weaknesses as a team.
It is more than just being unlucky or a bounce here and there away. They won 32 playoff games last two years not 5 games.
Or you can just believe that it is Patrick Maroon who is the reason. As he had won the last Three Cups.
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