Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Continued

[ACC1224]

All can be true at the same time.

You wear an A, plus being one of the highest paid players in the league, and say stupid crap.

It is not like it is either Yes or No.

Discussion is one thing but some of you are just trying to win an argument.

Not sure what the argument is?

 

[Hallonbroder]

He was just trying to keep morale up .. Mitch is that kind of kid .. we got too many wokes on here i think .. people who don't understand Mitch .. he knows there was a lack of effort .. he ain't da sharpest tool in the drawer but he is not stupid .. folks read too deep into comments .. you gotta remember Mitch is just a happy kid who loves to play .. in a lot of ways he is completely misunderstood .. and a ton of that is baggage from his dad and his contract .. you can't blame a guy for trying to get every nickel he can from hockey .. blame da people who over paid him

As soon as someone throws in the term “woke” and try to portray it as a bad thing, you know that someone is wrong from the get go.

Not sure what the argument is?

You constantly ignore or laugh off others/other opinions. It’s pretty clear what he meant.

 

[ToneDog]

He was just trying to keep morale up .. Mitch is that kind of kid .. we got too many wokes on here i think .. people who don't understand Mitch .. he knows there was a lack of effort .. he ain't da sharpest tool in the drawer but he is not stupid .. folks read too deep into comments .. you gotta remember Mitch is just a happy kid who loves to play .. in a lot of ways he is completely misunderstood .. and a ton of that is baggage from his dad and his contract .. you can't blame a guy for trying to get every nickel he can from hockey .. blame da people who over paid him

I've read, blame his sports psychologists, blame his dad, blame his agent, blame his PR department. Next somebody will blame Marner's dog but it is never Mitch's fault. You don't want the same shit you got the last 6 years, don't demand to be paid like Draisaitl and Matthews and for heaven's sake don't play like a deer in the headlights in the playoffs.

 

[NMacrules]

Marner can go where ever he wants at seasons end. I am not sure he'd stay with how the fans attacked him after last season and Marner was visually stressed. He won't forget about that and Tree should have signed him knowing he could walk for free. We are going to get nothing back losing a top 5 player in the league in his prime. This was handled very poorly.

 

[ACC1224]

Marner can go where ever he wants at seasons end. I am not sure he'd stay with how the fans attacked him after last season and Marner was visually stressed. He won't forget about that and Tree should have signed him knowing he could walk for free. We are going to get nothing back losing a top 5 player in the league in his prime. This was handled very poorly.

It has been handled poorly no doubt but he's not going anywhere unless he's forced out and nothing indicates that's the case.

 

[NMacrules]

Willie did himself no favours after "holding out" and returning out of shape but he turned the fans around over the last 4 years and is now the most likeable of the 3 amigos IMO. Marner did himself no favours with his negotiatons and keeps digging himself a deeper hole with the fans IMO.

Sure, he is crying all the way to the bank. He'll sign somewhere for 13 mil plus, not likely in Toronto the way the fans treated him.

 

[Hallonbroder]

Marner can go where ever he wants at seasons end. I am not sure he'd stay with how the fans attacked him after last season and Marner was visually stressed. He won't forget about that and Tree should have signed him knowing he could walk for free. We are going to get nothing back losing a top 5 player in the league in his prime. This was handled very poorly.

Top 5 player in the league????? Holy hyperbole Batman

Sure, he is crying all the way to the bank. He'll sign somewhere for 13 mil plus, not likely in Toronto the way the fans treated him.

You mean that they have expectations on him, being paid like he is?

 

[NMacrules]

Top 5 player in the league????? Holy hyperbole Batman


You mean that they have expectations on him, being paid like he is?

It was discussed between intermissions during the Philly game and the panel all agreed that he is a top 5 player.

 

[ACC1224]

It was discussed between intermissions during the Philly game and the panel all agreed that he is a top 5 player.

I think 'player' is a stretch, forward (this season) is more reasonable.

 

[NMacrules]

It has been handled poorly no doubt but he's not going anywhere unless he's forced out and nothing indicates that's the case.

did you not see his exit interview when the fans were torching him verbally? He was stressed, you could see it in his face. The fans were frustrated and merciless. Would you stay somewhere where you are not wanted? I'd be shocked if he stayed.

 

[ToneDog]

Marner can go where ever he wants at seasons end. I am not sure he'd stay with how the fans attacked him after last season and Marner was visually stressed. He won't forget about that and Tree should have signed him knowing he could walk for free. We are going to get nothing back losing a top 5 player in the league in his prime. This was handled very poorly.

You can't have your cake and eat it. If Mitch wants all the money and no pressure, look for a team that never makes the playoffs, has a fan base that does not give a shit about results and an owner that is more interested in selling tickets and jerseys than winning. If you demand and get all the money, expect to be held accountable. He and the team have shit the bed in the playoffs every year since he bent Dubas over while the team throws players overboard for cap reasons and trades future assets to help them to get it done.

Sure, he is crying all the way to the bank. He'll sign somewhere for 13 mil plus, not likely in Toronto the way the fans treated him.

So be it but I doubt that is what happens. When the time comes, he will choose the money. Bank on it.

 

[ACC1224]

did you not see his exit interview when the fans were torching him verbally? He was stressed, you could see it in his face. The fans were frustrated and merciless. Would you stay somewhere where you are not wanted? I'd be shocked if he stayed.

For sure he cares too much but that's long forgotten now. He and Matthews are still easily the two most popular guys at the rink.
He has no interest in leaving.

 

[Hallonbroder]

It was discussed between intermissions during the Philly game and the panel all agreed that he is a top 5 player.

What panel? Toronto-based media?

I mean, there’s Kucherov, MacKinnon, Draisaitl, Makar, Quinn Hughes, Matthews, Pastrnak, Tkatchuk, Panarin, Rantanen, Kaprizov, Crosby, Point, Hedman, Josi, Jack Hughes, Barkov….

 

[notDatsyuk]

What? What GM's aren't paying Marner? What coaches aren't playing Marner is all situations? What stats "prove" that Marner sucks?

The only GM who paid him that much is Dubas. The only GM playing him is Tre, and what choice does he have?

 

[Antropovsky]

-Nucks lost 5 in a row
-Nucks was delayed and they got in late.
- Nucks played the previous night.
- Nucks were away team

Leaf shut-out 3-0.

Assistant Captain Marner: " thought we played well,...I really did."

"Last couple games we have been giving up plays to teams who arent missing on them"

Not sure if he's complimenting the opponent or putting down his goalies with this quote.

 

[Confucius]

Marner can go where ever he wants at seasons end. I am not sure he'd stay with how the fans attacked him after last season and Marner was visually stressed. He won't forget about that and Tree should have signed him knowing he could walk for free. We are going to get nothing back losing a top 5 player in the league in his prime. This was handled very poorly.

He won’t be leaving, the only thing up for debate is how much he is worth. He has as much a chance of leaving as the Leafs do in relocating to Hamilton.

He’ll take less to stay, Tre just has to call his bluff.

 

[NMacrules]

You can't have your cake and eat it. If Mitch wants all the money and no pressure, look for a team that never makes the playoffs, has a fan base that does not give a shit about results and an owner that is more interested in selling tickets and jerseys than winning. If you demand and get all the money, expect to be held accountable. He and the team have shit the bed in the playoffs every year since he bent Dubas over while the team throws players overboard for cap reasons and trades future assets to help them to get it done.


So be it but I doubt that is what happens. When the time comes, he will choose the money. Bank on it.

I've got cake in front of me right now and am eating it. Although I wanted Marner traded so we get something back, I don't hate the player but how all this was handled. In 57 playoff games Marner put up 50 points and 3 game winning goals. 17 powerplay points. 2 shorties all on 145 shots. That is better stats than anyone else on the team, and the fans crucified him. I won't blame him for leaving now. Would you stay at a job where people hated you, even though you were the best worker? And the same people attacked you in the media relentlessly?

Fact: Marner has been our best playoff performer. Nylander had more goals but Nylander is a goal scorer and Marner is a passer. Marner still had more points. Mathews had more goals but he also took 235 shots. Marner still had more points. Nylander also had 167 shots. Overall, Marner has been better than both Nylander and Mathews.

The problem isn't with Marner in the playoffs, its with us the fans. We over react when shit doesn't go our way.

People bitch non stop about Marner choking in the playoffs. I don't know who started that bullshit but they are wrong and the stats prove it.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I should add, that some of us agree with the professionals who pay and play Marner and they agree he's a superstar. Sure, it's an appeal to authority but compared to a bunch of guys slamming beers all night, it's a fair appeal.

It's a subjective term so call him a supernova if you like, who cares?

What panel? Toronto-based media?

I mean, there’s Kucherov, MacKinnon, Draisaitl, Makar, Quinn Hughes, Matthews, Pastrnak, Tkatchuk, Panarin, Rantanen, Kaprizov, Crosby, Point, Hedman, Josi, Jack Hughes, Barkov….

Nylander ...

People bitch non stop about Marner choking in the playoffs. I don't know who started that bullshit but the are wrong and the stats prove it.

What do the stats prove?

Marner's a ~100 point player for 86 games, then he turns into a ~40 point player. I don't care about labels so call it what you like, or pretend it doesn't matter but those are the stats, and those are the facts.

 

[ACC1224]

He won’t be leaving, the only thing up for debate is how much he is worth. He has as much a chance of leaving as the Leafs do in relocating to Hamilton.

He’ll take less to stay, Tre just has to call his bluff.

I think they know what he's worth, Nylander is the floor and Matthews the ceiling.
What is up in the air is the proper timing to get the contract done and announced.

 

[NMacrules]

It's a subjective term so call him a supernova if you like, who cares?

Nylander ...


What do the stats prove?

Marner's a ~100 point player for 86 games, then he turns into a ~40 point player. I don't care about labels so call it what you like, or pretend it doesn't matter but those are the stats, and those are the facts.

Are you new to hockey? Scoring in the playoffs is much harder than regular season. And, he still out scored Nylander and Mathews in over all points....on 145 shots. So people are bitching about our best point scoring forward. It all started with the Marner hate because as a team, the Leafs failed miserably. And if he leaves, I won't blame him one bit for how all of the fans and media treated him. And he is clearly our most dynamic player by far and people will miss him when he walks....for nothing.

 

[666]

The only GM who paid him that much is Dubas. The only GM playing him is Tre, and what choice does he have?

This is actually funny. In your effort to be "reasonable" You went from

One side has GM's, coaches, experts, stats and facts. The other side has blind adulation.

to Dubas and Tre had no choice while completely ignoring the rest.
So why do you think that coaches continue to play him in all situations? I'll skip the stats, you guys already have a guy for that. What about the Team Canada selection?

What makes the Marner critics right when the professionals who do NHL for a career completely disagree with you.

 

[NMacrules]

He won’t be leaving, the only thing up for debate is how much he is worth. He has as much a chance of leaving as the Leafs do in relocating to Hamilton.

He’ll take less to stay, Tre just has to call his bluff.

Tre isn't dealing with Marner, he is dealing with his agent. And rest assured the agent will be talking to 31 other teams to gauge what teams are willing to pay. And the majority of fans hate Marner for no good reason. How much do you want to bet he goes to a team that wants him or at least the agent gets way more money from another team.

Someone needs to make a detailed list of teams that can afford Marner. He is going to get north of 13 million, just far north no one knows. I'd do it but kind of busy right now. But I bet his agent knows.

 

[therealkoho]

It's the froth but you keep campaigning for Mitch because it is working. He might be at his peak like Willie was after the same 40 games last year.


Mitch did himself no favours with the way he and his camp handled his last contract. Add that he has shit the bed in the playoffs since and that the team has won f*** all and here we are, with him want to be paid Matthews or Draisaitl money.

But why are we paying Matthews "Draisatl" money when he has done nothing but shit the bed when it counted most? If you whip one dog for not catching the fox, than all dogs should be whipped for the same mistakes/non-performance. I know you see what I'm saying.

 

[NMacrules]

Marner puts up points with anyone.
Looks like rantanen needs Mack.
Beware.

You guys are talking like there is a trade. Both players are free agents and can go to any team willing to pay.

Not in the playoffs. It is men vs boys in the playoffs.

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Ranta is a 100+ point playoff player. Marner is a 72 point playoff player.

Marner may never reach Ranta's 34 playoff goals.

I'll take my chances with the 6'4" 215 lbs, strong, skilled, goal scorer Ranta. Thanks.

You know there is not going to be a trade right? Both players are free agents and can go where ever they want.

 

[ACC1224]

But why are we paying Matthews "Draisatl" money when he has done nothing but shit the bed when it counted most? If you whip one dog for not catching the fox, than all dogs should be whipped for the same mistakes/non-performance. I know you see what I'm saying.

This is where they twist themselves up in knots.