Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Continued

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He won't though. He is greedy and its not the first time he held out. His agent gets what he wants or Marner goes elsewhere.
And hence why part of this fan base could not care less if he leaves, hell some want him gone no matter what. Marner will come across as a self entitled, me first player once again and it won't go over well if he wilts in the playoffs. If you think it was bad last summer, it will be double this summer if they are punted early.
 
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Of course there is not going to be a trade. The Leafs will resign Marner. I just hope for everybody's sake, it is not an overpay.
I was just reading that the Leafs have drawn a line at 13 million. Not unlike the Avs have with Rantanen at 12.6.

The article claims Marner is seeking the 15% of the cap that Matthews got which would be 13.8 if the cap rises to 92 million as expected.

Marner's agent while doing his job on the dollar side of negotiations is really not helping him if this article is in fact true.

If Marner asked or settled on any number between Nylander and 12 I think most would be happy
 
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Its not really the same. Nylanders and Matthews point totals are already in. 90 shots were the difference. But either way, fans are wrong for blaming Marner for playoff failure when in fact it is a team failure. People picking on Marner when Marner is in fact our best playoff performer is ridiculous.


This is a good post. Agreed.
They are definitely all to blame, but usually the ones making the most money shoulder the most blame. Marner and Matthews in this case. And anyone that actually watched the playoffs can clearly see Marner gets neutered when it matters most. He is great at piling on points when games are already decided (in the playoffs).

I would also suspect scoring drops after the first round, so comparing him Kucherov, Draisaitl etc, also doesn’t make sense ( not saying you did, but just making the point)
 
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Honestly, I don’t know.

Just playing the Devil’s advocate here.
If it is another first round loss. Why won’t he wants to leave. Heck, same can be said about the other Core too.

The Core 5 must either be completely stupid and dumb or really just don’t care as long as they are getting paid or both in choosing to live and die with the Leafs.

I just don’t understand why someone like MM or AM or Willie would want to stay with the Leafs if they continue to collectively choke in the playoffs. Esp if they have options to play elsewhere. Like if Avs decides not to resign Rantanen and go after MM, why would MM wants to resign with the Leafs if money/contract is about the same. Same can applies to Willie and AM, if Avs wants to go after those two via trades, would they really not waive their NMC or NTC?
Stars is another team with cap space as Benn’s contract will expire this summer.

Both Stars and Avs are better equipped to win the Cup than the current Leafs. And none of them will be playing the role of leader but rather a supporting player like Eichel with the Knights. In a way, they are getting paid without the responsibility of being the leader, which is who they are at this moment.

I really can’t see why they would say No and stay with the Leafs if Stars and Avs come knocking.
If Avs are refusing to pay Ranta more that MacKinnon, they sure as hell are not paying Marner more than MacKinnon. Leafs have probably already offered Marner close to $13mx8 which is more than Avs can/would offer.
 
It’s entertaining to me how one poster pointed out Marner jock junkies blame everything other than Marner and then I see posts how it’s us Leaf’s fans fault for Marner. Hahaha.
 
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I was just reading that the Leafs have drawn a line at 13 million. Not unlike the Avs have with Rantanen at 12.6.

The article claims Marner is seeking the 15% of the cap that Matthews got which would be 13.8 if the cap rises to 92 million as expected.

Marner's agent while doing his job on the dollar side of negotiations is really not helping him if this article is in fact true.

If Marner asked or settled on any number between Nylander and 12 I think most would be happy

:clap::clap::clap::clap:
 
If Marner accepted up to $13m, he'd be doing himself a favour. When shit like this leaks out, it will do damage that will be difficult to repair IMO. Take $12.5mx8 and everybody wins. Take $12.8mx8 and most be OK with it. Take $13m or more and you better not shit the bed in the playoffs again.
 
Both Stars and Avs are better equipped to win the Cup than the current Leafs. And none of them will be playing the role of leader but rather a supporting player like Eichel with the Knights. In a way, they are getting paid without the responsibility of being the leader, which is who they are at this moment.

I really can’t see why they would say No and stay with the Leafs if Stars and Avs come knocking.
Would they come knocking though? I honestly don't know but if they want to win the cup, Marner going from a ~100 point guy to a ~40 point guy after 86 games might give them pause.
If Avs are refusing to pay Ranta more that MacKinnon, they sure as hell are not paying Marner more than MacKinnon. Leafs have probably already offered Marner close to $13mx8 which is more than Avs can/would offer.
Logical.

I was just reading that the Leafs have drawn a line at 13 million. Not unlike the Avs have with Rantanen at 12.6.

The article claims Marner is seeking the 15% of the cap that Matthews got which would be 13.8 if the cap rises to 92 million as expected.

Marner's agent while doing his job on the dollar side of negotiations is really not helping him if this article is in fact true.

If Marner asked or settled on any number between Nylander and 12 I think most would be happy
If this is true, I don't even know what to say. Marner isn't on the same tier as a Hart/Lindsay winner, period.
 
Franchise cornerstone? Why, he's never produced in the playoffs? He seems to be injury prone and misses quite a few games. Sure I love all the goals I mean who doesn't, but there are holes in his overall game.

Marner plays all facets of the game and all of them at an elite level. So in that he gives a lot more to the team, so shouldn't he be considered the cornerstone?
Matthews is a Center, those are deemed more valuable

Matthews scores goals, that means more than defence to the league and the fans

Matthews was chosen as the captain, those chosen to lead the team and be the face of the team

Matthews was a 1st overall pick who didn’t bust, those are seen as franchise players

Matthews was chosen to be the captain of team U.S.A. so league regards him as the best American in the world.

Matthews was signed early, almost an entire year prior to his contract running out, here we are in mid January and Marner is without one

Matthews is advertised more within the city and North American wide.

I mean seriously if you can’t tell that Matthews is the franchise cornerstone and not Marner then idk what to say.
 
I would also suspect scoring drops after the first round, so comparing him Kucherov, Draisaitl etc, also doesn’t make sense ( not saying you did, but just making the point)
You suspect wrong.
If Avs are refusing to pay Ranta more that MacKinnon, they sure as hell are not paying Marner more than MacKinnon.
Avs would pay Marner more than Rantanen, just like every other team.
 
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the overdrive crew did a fantastic job breaking down the Marner comments and attacked the situation from both angles
At least to me, it is not the quote in itself but rather does he believe it.

If Avs are refusing to pay Ranta more that MacKinnon, they sure as hell are not paying Marner more than MacKinnon. Leafs have probably already offered Marner close to $13mx8 which is more than Avs can/would offer.

Would they come knocking though? I honestly don't know but if they want to win the cup, Marner going from a ~100 point guy to a ~40 point guy after 86 games might give them pause.

Logical.


If this is true, I don't even know what to say. Marner isn't on the same tier as a Hart/Lindsay winner, period.
I am speaking hypothetically if Stars and Avs offer the same deal Leafs is offering.

Would MM says no or would AM and Willie not waive their NMC or NTC?
 
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Its funny everyone whining about Marner and his interviews. He gets nervous and says stupid things. Also, he might just be stupid. He is not well educated.


And Doug Flutie had fewer catches than Jerry Rice. They are different players and Marner still has more points than Nylander or Matthews.
I couldn't care less about what he says in interviews - all I'm interested in is how he performs.

I'm not sure what your other comments relate to - they certainly didn't address my post.
 
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the overdrive crew did a fantastic job breaking down the Marner comments and attacked the situation from both angles
Crap. Here I am, working from home, and I completely forgot that I wouldn't mind hearing what they have to say today. If you feel like giving a short summary of what they said, I'd be interested.
 
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Crap. Here I am, working from home, and I completely forgot that I wouldn't mind hearing what they have to say today. If you feel like giving a short summary of what they said, I'd be interested.


They just said that Marner never makes it easy on himself. He could have said a million other things and keep the flies away. They said he’s never been comfortable with the media and he’s good for 2/3 bad quotes a year lol.

But they also said that this fan base overreacts to things Marner says. They played the full quote and it wasn’t as bad as the abbreviated quote tbh. In the full quote he does acknowledge they need to be better. Essentially they were saying leafs fans are in an uncomfortable position, we haven’t ever been in a position where we are winning the division and winning the conference. So some fans are on edge waiting for the team to do awful or waiting for Marner to say something crazy so they can come out and say “see I told you, they are frauds”.

Jeff also pointed out that he kind of understands where Mitch is coming from because as a player you are so focused on what you’re doing individually and he may have made a few plays that had him feeling good so it overshadowed the overall team play. But Jeff was like you have to be more aware to remember they are asking about the team context.

Ultimately they thought the quote wasn’t great but there’s been a massive overreaction by fans because the fan base doesn’t believe they will sustain the current success.
 
They just said that Marner never makes it easy on himself. He could have said a million other things and keep the flies away. They said he’s never been comfortable with the media and he’s good for 2/3 bad quotes a year lol.

But they also said that this fan base overreacts to things Marner says. They played the full quote and it wasn’t as bad as the abbreviated quote tbh. In the full quote he does acknowledge they need to be better. Essentially they were saying leafs fans are in an uncomfortable position, we haven’t ever been in a position where we are winning the division and winning the conference. So some fans are on edge waiting for the team to do awful or waiting for Marner to say something crazy so they can come out and say “see I told you, they are frauds”.

Jeff also pointed out that he kind of understands where Mitch is coming from because as a player you are so focused on what you’re doing individually and he may have made a few plays that had him feeling good so it overshadowed the overall team play. But Jeff was like you have to be more aware to remember they are asking about the team context.

Ultimately they thought the quote wasn’t great but there’s been a massive overreaction by fans because the fan base doesn’t believe they will sustain the current success.
Thanks, I appreciate that. Nothing surprising here, and as far as a massive overreaction by the fans, that's pretty much a given no matter what happens ever in Leafland. Cheers!
 
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Problem being, when you wear a letter on your jersey be it a "C" or an "A" it represents and viewed as team leadership, and if in addition you're among the highest paid players in the game, then those are the players that reporters seek out naturally for comment.

A fair point. He'd be much better off like Kessel being allowed to fall into the second row of team leaders of his team, being quite and left alone to do their thing

But when you ask for top dollars,.the expectations and responsibility increases and you have to step forward and deal with it
 
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A fair point. He'd be much better off like Kessel being allowed to fall into the second row of team leaders of his team, being quite and left alone to do their thing

But when you ask for top dollars,.the expectations and responsibility increases and you have to step forward and deal with it
I tend to agree and I think all our core will benefit and be better players if they are not the Alphas of the team.
Like Vegas where the Alphas were Stone and Marchessault. Eichel just played his game and I think led them in playoffs points too. But you rarely notice him as the spotlight and focus were on other players.
 
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I was just reading that the Leafs have drawn a line at 13 million. Not unlike the Avs have with Rantanen at 12.6.

The article claims Marner is seeking the 15% of the cap that Matthews got which would be 13.8 if the cap rises to 92 million as expected.

Marner's agent while doing his job on the dollar side of negotiations is really not helping him if this article is in fact true.

If Marner asked or settled on any number between Nylander and 12 I think most would be happy

Comparison is the thief of joy.

There's no functional, life changing difference over less than a million in what these possible red line numbers represent, but if Marner needs to be higher than Matthews, it's just going to lead to pain, disappointment and maybe a divorce. At the end of the day, I don't think the Toronto Maple Leafs will ever value Marner more than Matthews, aka the golden child. That might not be "fair" but I don't think it will change.
 
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The guys were laughing as Mitch answered the question.
 

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