Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Continued

[ULF_55]

Ferris is free to push negotiations to whatever extremes he wants but I guess at some point the player will just end up in Utah or Seattle something if Toronto can’t accommodate. If there’s a value to being in Toronto that needs to be baked into the AAV.

IMO, he is not taking less percentage than Nylander nor Pastrnak.

Treliving won't let him walk.

 

[Stephen]

Where did you hear it was because he was unhappy with role? Doing some digging, Marner had some sort of mental health/confidence issue and the hunters sent him home / decided he needed to go home to work on that. I think he was boarderline ready to quit hockey. That’s why the Hunters went to go see him afterwards and convince him to come back and play. Did not see anything related to him being upset with the role he had in London. Just seems like you’re reaching and misrepresenting what actually happened.

Mitch left London either in his rookie year or draft year when he wasn’t clicking early in season. Took a few weeks off and came back strong. That was in his THN draft profile years ago. And it’s always seemed like he’s terrible and unprepared to play in October, but becomes this godly force in November and onwards.

 

[ToneDog]

Interesting line from Kyper awhile back regarding Colorado's negotiation with Rantanen:



Seems as Colorado is taking a hard line in their negotiations.

Meanwhile Kyper the Shill says give Marner what he wants and do it now. Did not take him much time to forget Marner's performance in losing to a sad Bruins team.

IMO, he is not taking less percentage than Nylander nor Pastrnak.

Treliving won't let him walk.

What does that give him with a $92m cap? I'd be afraid to give him 8 years. He will probably decline faster than Tavares has. At least JT can still grind.

 

[ToneDog]

Mitch left London either in his rookie year or draft year when he wasn’t clicking early in season. Took a few weeks off and came back strong. That was in his THN draft profile years ago. And it’s always seemed like he’s terrible and unprepared to play in October, but becomes this godly force in November and until middle of April.

FIFY

 

[ToneDog]

Ferris is free to push negotiations to whatever extremes he wants but I guess at some point the player will just end up in Utah or Seattle something if Toronto can’t accommodate. If there’s a value to being in Toronto that needs to be baked into the AAV.

Tre will cave because a suit tells him to sign him for what he wants. Locking into a core that is 1 and 8 does not seem like the right move but keep on hoping they break through one year.

 

[ULF_55]

Meanwhile Kyper the Shill says give Marner what he wants and do it now. Did not take him much time to forget Marner's performance in losing to a sad Bruins team.


What does that give him with a $92m cap? I'd be afraid to give him 8 years. He will probably decline faster than Tavares has. At least JT can still grind.

He might take an 8 year deal, but then it would be higher, with Cap inflation built in.

I believe The Little m is the biggest bread earner for Ferris. Winning for Ferris is contract amount, he isn't getting his name on a Cup.

They won't negotiate based on a $92mm cap.

 

[ToneDog]

He might take an 8 year deal, but then it would be higher, with Cap inflation built in.

I believe The Little m is the biggest bread earner for Ferris. Winning for Ferris is contract amount, he isn't getting his name on a Cup.

They won't negotiate based on a $92mm cap.

This is why you have to negotiate hard and let him walk if his demands are too much. These 3 have cashed in and delivered the middle of a donut the last 8 playoffs. It is time to show some backbone.

 

[francis246]

Mitch left London either in his rookie year or draft year when he wasn’t clicking early in season. Took a few weeks off and came back strong. That was in his THN draft profile years ago. And it’s always seemed like he’s terrible and unprepared to play in October, but becomes this godly force in November and onwards.

Yeah that’s what I read as well. He had some confidence issues and they sent him home to find himself, they brought him back and he was good.

 

[francis246]

This is why you have to negotiate hard and let him walk if his demands are too much. These 3 have cashed in and delivered the middle of a donut the last 8 playoffs. It is time to show some backbone.

Do you honestly think the leafs don’t have a walk away number? I think they do. They walked away from Zach Hyman over $500,000 - 1 million. They have a number they would walk away from Marner for sure. Who knows what it is, but I would think if it’s over 12.5 they probably walk away. Maybe even 13. Who knows, but they have a number that they would not resign him at.

 

[ACC1224]

Yeah that’s what I read as well. He had some confidence issues and they sent him home to find himself, they brought him back and he was good.

You know you've reached the bottom of the barrel when you bring up something 10-12 years ago that has no relevance. .

Next we'll hear how he didn't share his fries at the Vaughan Arena in 2004 which shows how selfish he is.

Do you honestly think the leafs don’t have a walk away number? I think they do. They walked away from Zach Hyman over $500,000 - 1 million. They have a number they would walk away from Marner for sure. Who knows what it is, but I would think if it’s over 12.5 they probably walk away. Maybe even 13. Who knows, but they have a number that they would not resign him at.

Of course they do. The thought that they don't do things because they're scared is a special one for sure.

 

[ToneDog]

Do you honestly think the leafs don’t have a walk away number? I think they do. They walked away from Zach Hyman over $500,000 - 1 million. They have a number they would walk away from Marner for sure. Who knows what it is, but I would think if it’s over 12.5 they probably walk away. Maybe even 13. Who knows, but they have a number that they would not resign him at.

They will cave like they did with Nylander. My guess is that if push comes to shove, they will go close to Matty money. Hell Kyper thinks they could go higher. There is a reason this team has not won a cup in almost 60 years. They make way too many mistakes.

 

[thewave]

Yeah that’s what I read as well. He had some confidence issues and they sent him home to find himself, they brought him back and he was good.

That's a big red flag when you are watching a clear issue in his performances come elimination games. The question is simple, is it for winning we will overpay another player or for buying an attraction that sell the brand. I simply argue that anything above Nylanders money is essentially signaling to anyone else that wants to play here, get all the money you can and worry about winning elsewhere later in life.

By same money, that can include by a % to feed his ego if need be.

 

[ULF_55]

This is why you have to negotiate hard and let him walk if his demands are too much. These 3 have cashed in and delivered the middle of a donut the last 8 playoffs. It is time to show some backbone.

I think that is unrealistic.

I don't disagree or agree with the sentiment.

It actually, might come down to Matthews, with regards to my opinion of the player.

This just personal opinion/perception from watching the NHL since the early 60's. Of course I couldn't stay up to watch the entire game, and the game was joined in progress, but this isn't the NBA. I get NBA vibe from one of their players, and others may be lining up behind him.

This will be an outrage to some, but I think The Little m, would make a better captain. Keep in mind he is far from my favorite player on the team. Especially when he follows into line behind Matthews.

 

[Confucius]

IMO, he is not taking less percentage than Nylander nor Pastrnak.

Treliving won't let him walk.

No other team is giving Mitch more than 11.5, why would we pay him more than any other team? We’ll pay him half a million less than his best offer elsewhere

 

[GoonieFace]

No other team is giving Mitch more than 11.5, why would we pay him more than any other team? We’ll pay him half a million less than his best offer elsewhere

There would be a team out there that would pay him more than $11.5 as a UFA. That really should not affect how the Leafs negotiate with him though.

The Leafs internal cap structure is a thing of pure incompetence. He is getting more than Nylander from the Leafs. I would be shocked if he isn’t signed before the end of January. My guess is 8 years @ $12.5/year.

 

[thewave]

I think that is unrealistic.

I don't disagree or agree with the sentiment.

It actually, might come down to Matthews, with regards to my opinion of the player.

This just personal opinion/perception from watching the NHL since the early 60's. Of course I couldn't stay up to watch the entire game, and the game was joined in progress, but this isn't the NBA. I get NBA vibe from one of their players, and others may be lining up behind him.

This will be an outrage to some, but I think The Little m, would make a better captain. Keep in mind he is far from my favorite player on the team. Especially when he follows into line behind Matthews.

Little M as captain is a red flag. He throws fits under duress like against Boston. Nylander held the most clutch performances and composure of them all.

 

[Confucius]

There would be a team out there that would pay him more than $11.5 as a UFA. That really should not affect how the Leafs negotiate with him though.

The Leafs internal cap structure is a thing of pure incompetence. He is getting more than Nylander from the Leafs. I would be shocked if he isn’t signed before the end of January. My guess is 8 years @ $12.5/year.

I don’t buy the internal cap structure, so that’s a nonstarter. And a 30 goal hundred point player does not have the same value as a 40 goal hundred point player anyway.

 

[keonsbitterness]

I bet they are. The great ones certainly are.

Quite the opposite. Aside from physical talent, the best players are successful because they are better at concentrating on the next game, next period, next shift, next practice, next team meeting, next workout, etc. April is a billion light years away for them.

No other team is giving Mitch more than 11.5, why would we pay him more than any other team? We’ll pay him half a million less than his best offer elsewhere

You keep saying that, but I have no doubt there are teams that would give him more.

 

[GoonieFace]

I don’t buy the internal cap structure, so that’s a nonstarter. And a 30 goal hundred point player does not have the same value as a 40 goal hundred point player anyway.

It was basically proven that’s how they negotiated their last contracts once Dubas signed Tavares.

The fact that they have 4 of the highest 12 cap hits in the league just shows how incompetent this organization is.

 

[francis246]

They will cave like they did with Nylander. My guess is that if push comes to shove, they will go close to Matty money. Hell Kyper thinks they could go higher. There is a reason this team has not won a cup in almost 60 years. They make way too many mistakes.

Did they cave? Or do they just value Nylander at 11.5? I think it’s the latter. I think they look at Nylander and Pastrnak as the same. And I think a lot of people around the league do too. Especially considering Nylander can and is willing to play center.

 

[DarkKnight]

If the cap rises more than projected many teams will have more room than they accounted for next year. Literally the perfect scenario for a big ticket to hit free agency. He'd have suitors galore.

 

[Confucius]

It was basically proven that’s how they negotiated their last contracts once Dubas signed Tavares.

The fact that they have 4 of the highest 12 cap hits in the league just shows how incompetent this organization is.

That is why things will change. We will see but I’d be shocked if Mitch gets a bigger deal than William

 

[ACC1224]

That is why things will change. We will see but I’d be shocked if Mitch gets a bigger deal than William

Why? He's certainly earned one.

 

[Confucius]

Why? He's certainly earned one.

I think they are equal, I’m taking advantage of the fact that Mitch wants to play here and William may have moved on for a little more.

 

[francis246]

That's a big red flag when you are watching a clear issue in his performances come elimination games. The question is simple, is it for winning we will overpay another player or for buying an attraction that sell the brand. I simply argue that anything above Nylanders money is essentially signaling to anyone else that wants to play here, get all the money you can and worry about winning elsewhere later in life.

By same money, that can include by a % to feed his ego if need be.

Lmfao what the hell are you talking about? He was 16 or 17 years old. How is that a big red flag? It sounds like a kid having a kid moment and needing some time to get his head straight.

He didn’t commit a crime, we need to stop bashing Marner for things he went through as a minor. It’s kind of dumb. You were not perfect as you grew up. Why are we holding him to that moment in junior?