Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Continued

[thewave]

Increasing individual salaries doesn't put upward pressure on overall salaries because the NHL is based on a hard cap system.

The salary cap is based off a fixed percentage of overall HRR (Hockey Related Revenues). The players salaries have to fall under that cap. Increasing individual salaries shouldn't have any effect on PA revenues as those salaries are a result of, rather than the cause of, increased revenues.

Kypreos can shill for Marner all he wants but it won't put a dime more in his pocket unless his dramatics bring more fans and their money to the sport.

Incorrect. Many teams do not hit the cap and float under the cap to remain in business. They also require equalization payments. The reasoning for the cap is to limit the competitive advantage of large markets.

Inflating the value of "good players" this fast will leave those teams in a bind paying more for lesser quality. The tiers of players will sfan out.

For instance Knies. He won't stay with us because he can get 9m elsewhere. He naturally should be a 7m probably if it keeps going this way. In Toronto with MM making 13.8m he won't be viable. Goalies will also look at this and say where is mine.

100% a chain reaction baked into the cake that apparently they do not see. The only solution to stop the runaway train is to play hardball and if they do not, you will have a lockout for one. The other thing will be a tier of players...

The 10m+ players and the jobbers making peanuts with no inbetween

 

[notDatsyuk]

Yes, I realized that, but I meant generally.

Good question.

 

[Evilhomer]

Shouldn't be an issue right? I must have read 5000 times this last summer than playoffs have zero bearing on with players get paid.

What's the standard the Marner PR crew is going with today?

I don't fall on either side of this issue. To be honest, I think arguing about whether he is signed or not signed is a bit silly because I think it's 100% guaranteed that the Leafs will resign him. They can't trade him, and there is no way they are letting him walk for nothing. Whether anyone likes it or not, all roads lead to the same place, which is him signing with the Leafs.

 

[notDatsyuk]

That's not what I said. I thought responding with the type of stats to use would be useful, since you were using the wrong type. I thought you'd know what defensive metrics are, since we've been over this so many times, but I guess you forgot again.

It was your absolutely typical vague response when asked a serious question.

 

[thewave]

I don't fall on either side of this issue. To be honest, I think arguing about whether he is signed or not signed is a bit silly because I think it's 100% guaranteed that the Leafs will resign him. They can't trade him, and there is no way they are letting him walk for nothing. Whether anyone likes it or not, all roads lead to the same place, which is him signing with the Leafs.

The important thing here is always lost. Can the team be competitive with an internal cap structure like this?

I think not.

Tanev OEL and Rielly are on the books a while and they are going to decline. We are back at the argument, is this a team being made to win or entertain. I think it's pretty obvious.

 

[Evilhomer]

The important thing here is always lost. Can the team be competitive with an internal cap structure like this?

This team will almost certainly finish top 5 in the league this season, if not first overall, with this salary structure. I would argue that is pretty competitive. Maybe the problem in prior years was the coaching, defense and goaltending, all of which have largely been fixed.

 

[thewave]

This team will almost certainly finish top 5 in the league this season, if not first overall, with this salary structure. I would argue that is pretty competitive. Maybe the problem in prior years was the coaching, defense and goaltending, all of which have largely been fixed.

Are you saying we are a cup contender? It's fine to say yes. I probably agree but how many cracks at it do we have? Keep in mind the D core contracts and age + tender contracts in year 3. Most teams don't get it first time, not even second on a good team with a deep run. This team is going over the hill in year 3. In other words we need to win in the next couple years.