Player Discussion Mitch Marner, Continued

[francis246]

Then why pay him if he aint a gamebreaker?

The problem has been the other top players, are near there regular season form, he is not.

But right now he looks better then ever, So a change might come. But dont sign until absolutly needed. Or if he goes into a slump. Thats when you sign.

No they haven’t been. There’s been one guy who has been near regular season and that’s William Nylander. The rest all drop off as well.

I haven’t been in favour of signing Marner before the playoffs. I think they should wait.

 

[francis246]

So leave his side or the ice open to help people that should have that situation under control?

the whole play developed right in front of marners face your suggesting there was nothing he could do he was infront of him in the neutral zone and he couldn’t do nothing ? Reillys man once he gets into the zone you don’t even communicate with your dman so he gets picced up but Nylander can take four five strides right ? Gotchya

Marner back checked harder than Nylander on that play and actually almost got back in time.

I’ve attached the play so you can watch again. I’m not sure how you are claiming the whole thing developed right in front of Marner’s eyes. All the forwards got caught puck watching the dump in. Pastrnak notices that and sneaks in with speed behind Marner. Marner and Nylander don’t even see Pastrnak sneak behind them. The two guys that do are Rielly and Samsonov. On that dump in play Rielly is way too high to the blue line. Pastrnak’s speed is too fast and Rielly is flat footed out of position he cannot cut him off.




You keep saying Nylander shouldnt have left his side but Nylander was literally in the middle of the ice the entire time. Marner ends up lower than Nylander by the end of the play. But in the video you can see Marner has no clue Pastrnak has blown by him till Pastrnak is by the hashmarks. That’s on Marner for sure. But what the hell is Rielly doing in no man’s land and that float in by Nylander is brutal too. Complete system failure.


Please point the time stamp in which you think Marner should have impeded Pastrnak?

 

[All Mod Cons]

I'm with Kyper on this one, it doesn't work that way.

There is no chance - zero - that Treliving has or will communicate to Marner that he's waiting to see how the playoffs go before they decide what to do with him. Because if he took that attitude, Marner would rightly say he's walking on July 1st, period.

His argument would be that Treliving didn't hold off on Nylander's deal until last year's playoffs, and it was pretty clear Auston was getting extended with no such conditions. So Mitch would simply ask "why play hardball with me?" And he has a point.

As a fan, I absolutely would want to see how things go in the playoffs before extending him - if they fail again, something drastic must be done. But I wish they took that approach years ago, or told Mitch when they re-signed Willie that he's their guy and moved Marner when they had their chance.

The Leafs didn't so here we are. And my belief is that MLSE's 100% intention is to re-sign him after the season is over, regardless of how the playoffs go, unless Mitch rejects every offer they throw at him and walks.

Can't they just say we are waiting to see what the guaranteed amount the Cap is moving to, is?

 

[francis246]

Can't they just say we are waiting to see what the guaranteed amount the Cap is moving to, is?

Kyper had Gord Stellick on last night and he was saying the leafs and Marner have a number. His understanding is the leafs and Marner have agreed to wait and see for now. He said it is widely known the leafs want to keep Marner and Marner wants to be a leaf, but both parties are interested in keeping things open incase things go wrong. Then he said the only way he thinks a deal might get done is if the contract becomes a distraction for Marner, then he can see Marner’s side pushing for it to get done, but it’s on the leafs to stay true to their principles and wait.

I think this is the play, there’s no rush.

 

[Confucius]

Kyper had Gord Stellick on last night and he was saying the leafs and Marner have a number. His understanding is the leafs and Marner have agreed to wait and see for now. He said it is widely known the leafs want to keep Marner and Marner wants to be a leaf, but both parties are interested in keeping things open incase things go wrong. Then he said the only way he thinks a deal might get done is if the contract becomes a distraction for Marner, then he can see Marner’s side pushing for it to get done, but it’s on the leafs to stay true to their principles and wait.

I think this is the play, there’s no rush.

Sounds like team Marier are already building in an excuse in case he plays poorly. Although I think that won’t happen,

 

[francis246]

Sounds like team Marier are already building in an excuse in case he plays poorly. Although I think that won’t happen,

I thought that immediately as well. Gord could also be blowing smoke up our ass too. But I think from Marner’s perspective why wouldn’t he want to wait as well? If he eclipses 100 points and has a good playoffs will anyone question or have the right to question his number? It’s advantageous on both sides to wait IMO. If he truly wants to be here he’ll sign, if he doesn’t or gets offended, he walks and that’s that.

 

[ToneDog]

I realy dont care if they sign him or not. But if they gonna sign, do it at the right time. I want them to do what is best for the team, and i might be old but i am no Nostradamus.

Yup, let's not sign him when he is on a 30 goal 120 point pace. Again, my position is, wait until after the playoffs. If they can't help themselves, wait until February/March.

 

[ACC1224]

Sounds like team Marier are already building in an excuse in case he plays poorly. Although I think that won’t happen,

Based on what?

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Yup, let's not sign him when he is on a 30 goal 120 point pace. Again, my position is, wait until after the playoffs. If they can't help themselves, wait until February/March.

Yeah an amazing season on a contract year was all but guaranteed. The production is, and always has been incredible.

We cannot award a monster contract when we lose the way we do annually. Anything other than a 3rd round appearance should result in a major change.

 

[Confucius]

Based on what?

If the contract becomes a distraction. What do you think may be happening to Mitch,s performance if the contract is being a distraction?

 

[thewave]

So the two greedy bastards are Matthew and Nylander it’s official Marner can’t do no wrong in here huh


Tavares Knies and Nylander were not the problem last year


So leave his side or the ice open to help people that should have that situation under control?

There is always an excuse.

After they are paid and if this signed core fails again, they will blame Tending and if they cant it will be Treliving. Clearly they act like a PR firm pointing blame in other directions and making excuses for the players lack of success.


Imagine a high ankle sprain recovery that you play on 33% more than the average top NHLer when healthy leading into the PO. Then say the lack of success, well, it's because of mobility due to the ankle. If you have limited mobility issues you generally have pain. If you have pain you take it easy, if you cant move it full range you have pain when you try and it gets sore fast. There was no high ankle sprain issue late last year. It was another excuse.

Kyper is the definition of a shill and dregger too. Absolutely bias attempt to influence the public to support ______________ bullshit.

 

[GoonieFace]

So leave his side or the ice open to help people that should have that situation under control?

the whole play developed right in front of marners face your suggesting there was nothing he could do he was infront of him in the neutral zone and he couldn’t do nothing ? Reillys man once he gets into the zone you don’t even communicate with your dman so he gets picced up but Nylander can take four five strides right ? Gotchya

I think the underlying story here is, they only scored 1 goal. Hard to win doing that

 

[thewave]

Marner back checked harder than Nylander on that play and actually almost got back in time.

I’ve attached the play so you can watch again. I’m not sure how you are claiming the whole thing developed right in front of Marner’s eyes. All the forwards got caught puck watching the dump in. Pastrnak notices that and sneaks in with speed behind Marner. Marner and Nylander don’t even see Pastrnak sneak behind them. The two guys that do are Rielly and Samsonov. On that dump in play Rielly is way too high to the blue line. Pastrnak’s speed is too fast and Rielly is flat footed out of position he cannot cut him off.




You keep saying Nylander shouldnt have left his side but Nylander was literally in the middle of the ice the entire time. Marner ends up lower than Nylander by the end of the play. But in the video you can see Marner has no clue Pastrnak has blown by him till Pastrnak is by the hashmarks. That’s on Marner for sure. But what the hell is Rielly doing in no man’s land and that float in by Nylander is brutal too. Complete system failure.


Please point the time stamp in which you think Marner should have impeded Pastrnak?

Even pros made videos that it was Marner that messed up. Totally absolved Nylander, ffs Nylander was a million miles away from the play to begin with.

Don't forget the waaaah waaaah wahhh video of marner avoiding the corner because of his ankle I am guessing? Then circling back around and giving a love check to that big bad Bruin. Don't forget all the corsi floaters from way out too.

 

[Confucius]

I thought that immediately as well. Gord could also be blowing smoke up our ass too. But I think from Marner’s perspective why wouldn’t he want to wait as well? If he eclipses 100 points and has a good playoffs will anyone question or have the right to question his number? It’s advantageous on both sides to wait IMO. If he truly wants to be here he’ll sign, if he doesn’t or gets offended, he walks and that’s that.

Well there is the risk of injury, ‘Id want the security of knowing it was a done deal, but then again I’m probably more insecure than most.

 

[ACC1224]

If the contract becomes a distraction. What do you think may be happening to Mitch,s performance if the contract is being a distraction?

You said 'sounds like.....' just wondering where you heard 'Marners camp' say this but it sounds like that was just your thought on the situation.

The distraction to the team is valid which is why they should just get it done if that was the plan. Don't add extra stress and drama on the team come playoff time when there will be enough already.

 

[thewave]

I think the underlying story here is, they only scored 1 goal. Hard to win doing that

Right and this brings you back full circle to why are they getting paid as though they are Toews and Kane after the cups. There is no success being sold here just the hope of it with a dark cloud of 8 years of failure lurking overhead.

 

[Confucius]

You said 'sounds like.....' just wondering where you heard 'Marners camp' say this but it sounds like that was just your thought on the situation.

The distraction to the team is valid which is why they should just get it done if that was the plan. Don't add extra stress and drama on the team come playoff time when there will be enough already.

I think Mitch’s contract situation would not be stressful to the other players at all. What would William, Jt or even Mathew’s care. I’d be surprised they would be stressing about no Mitch next year when the playoffs are going on. The rest of the team wouldn’t care either, if anything more money available for them.

 

[GoonieFace]

Right and this brings you back full circle to why are they getting paid as though they are Toews and Kane after the cups. There is no success being sold here just the hope of it with a dark cloud of 8 years of failure lurking overhead.

This organization is risk adverse. They have “superstar” players and don’t want to move off them, regardless of the final results. They are just going to play it out and hope they hit pay dirt.

Honestly, it may actually work this year with how weak the East is. Let’s hope

 

[ACC1224]

I think Mitch’s contract situation would not be stressful to the other players at all. What would William, Jt or even Mathew’s care. I’d be surprised they would be stressing about no Mitch next year when the playoffs are going on. The rest of the team wouldn’t care either, if anything more money available for them.

You don't see how this could be a distraction to the team in this market? It's been talked about pretty much daily since last year and that will only ramp up the closer it gets to the end of the season.
Guess we will see.

 

[thewave]

This organization is risk adverse. They have “superstar” players and don’t want to move off them, regardless of the final results. They are just going to play it out and hope they hit pay dirt.

Honestly, it may actually work this year with how weak the East is. Let’s hope

Agreed. I was going to say we are operating under a pay and pray model.

 

[WTFMAN99]

There is definitely some new personal reasons that I have learned that would almost certainly make Marner want to stay in Toronto.

Don't think it is public either yet.

 

[Confucius]

You don't see how this could be a distraction to the team in this market? It's been talked about pretty much daily since last year and that will only ramp up the closer it gets to the end of the season.
Guess we will see.

Sure we talk about it but I think we don’t stress about it. I think there isn’t a person here who underperforms at their job because they are stressing about Mitch’s contract. Lol

The players shouldn’t be stressing over a teammates contract. If they do, what about who gets sent down and who gets traded? Must be a lot of stress going on so many guys to worry about.

 

[ACC1224]

Sure we talk about it but I think we don’t stress about it. I think there isn’t a person here who underperforms at their job because they are stressing about Mitch’s contract. Lol

The players shouldn’t be stressing over a teammates contract. If they do, what about who gets sent down and who gets traded? Must be a lot of stress going on so many guys to worry about.

I never once used the word 'stress', I mentioned 'distraction'.
You clearly don't understand.

There is definitely some new personal reasons that I have learned that would almost certainly make Marner want to stay in Toronto.

Don't think it is public either yet.

How many months along is she?

 

[Confucius]

I never once used the word 'stress', I mentioned 'distraction'.
You clearly don't understand.


How many months along is she?

Ok have it your way, I’ll just stick with, the only player who may be distracted is Mitch the players are pros and will just go about their jobs

 

[ACC1224]

Ok have it your way, I’ll just stick with, the only player who may be distracted is Mitch the players are pros and will just go about their jobs

It's not my way, it's sport. These things happen in all sports.