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zeke said:
I don't know how we can just ignore that last season was only 56gms long.
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Mitch Marner 2020-21 Game Log | Hockey-Reference.com

here is his game logs, split into 20, 20 and 15 games. In the middle 20 he had 4 goals who is to say that the final 20 games he doesnt only get 4 goals? that is why pace isnt a real stat. He could get 20 goals too of course but nothing is going to happen in games that arent played so pace is irrelevant
 
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Need Paul Marner as an assistant coach to make his life a living hell because apparently that's the only way to motivate him.
 
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Walshy7 said:
Mitch Marner 2020-21 Game Log | Hockey-Reference.com

here is his game logs, split into 20, 20 and 15 games. In the middle 20 he had 4 goals who is to say that the final 20 games he doesnt only get 4 goals? that is why pace isnt a real stat. He could get 20 goals too of course but nothing is going to happen in games that arent played so pace is irrelevant
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It is obviously stupid to use raw point totals from last year's shortened season.
 
zeke said:
ok.

again, discussing last season while ignoring that it was only 56gms is obviously stupid.
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18/19 was 82 game season and what happened was exactly what i was talking about could of happened and why "on pace" is stupid. We have actual real evidence that he can go cold at the end of a season ending up lower than his pace., not a random player Marner himself has done it.

Clearly you've got nothing left so becoming obtuse
 
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Walshy7 said:
18/19 was 82 game season and what happened was exactly what i was talking about could of happened and why "on pace" is stupid. We have actual real evidence that he can go cold at the end of a season ending up lower than his pace., not a random player Marner himself has done it.

Clearly you've got nothing left so becoming obtuse
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no matter how many times you say it, it doesn't change the fact that ignoring that last year was only 56gms long is obviously stupid.
 
Walshy7 said:
18/19 was 82 game season and what happened was exactly what i was talking about could of happened and why "on pace" is stupid. We have actual real evidence that he can go cold at the end of a season ending up lower than his pace., not a random player Marner himself has done it.

Clearly you've got nothing left so becoming obtuse
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Good info you provided.

Having watched a lot of his goals from last season, had a few empty netters and wasn't cleanly beating goalies with his shot with consistency either. Posting zero power play goals is an area he can easily improve in.

I am curious to see how his new spot on the PP will help his goal totals. I remember they told Kadri to work on his shot and he came back and scored over 30 for the first time in his career, no fluke either because he replicated it the season after that. Definitely someone I would talk to if I was Marner, he (Kadri) worked on his shot and got real results to the tune of 12-14 more per season than he was posting previously.
 
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zeke said:
no matter how many times you say it, it doesn't change the fact that ignoring that last year was only 56gms long is obviously stupid.
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im not ignoring it in fact you are by using pace, why are you attributing his goal totals to 82 games? season was 56 games from the start. You aren't making sense here, either way you look at it pace is obviously stupid. He has proven that he can fall behind pace in a 82 game season before, OR its only a 56 game season and therefore cant attribute 82 games to his goal tally. In both cases you are wrong.
 
WTFMAN99 said:
Good info you provided.

Having watched a lot of his goals from last season, had a few empty netters and wasn't cleanly beating goalies with his shot with consistency either. Posting zero power play goals is an area he can easily improve in.

I am curious to see how his new spot on the PP will help his goal totals. I remember they told Kadri to work on his shot and he came back and scored over 30 for the first time in his career, no fluke either because he replicated it the season after that. Definitely someone I would talk to if I was Marner, he (Kadri) worked on his shot and got real results to the tune of 12-14 more per season than he was posting previously.
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this whole argument with him started becasue i questioned whether or not marner working hard on his shot will prove anything considering its said about him every off season. Not how good a player he is so im coming off as marner bashing but im really not. Im marner's shot bashing
 
Walshy7 said:
this whole argument with him started becasue i questioned whether or not marner working hard on his shot will prove anything considering its said about him every off season. Not how good a player he is so im coming off as marner bashing but im really not. Im marner's shot bashing
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It's fair, I think he has more to give...I hope he has success.
 
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Dekes For Days said:
They were not manhandled in the slightest. They did show up to compete in those games. Montreal just had some strong starts, and had some bounces go their way. Through the final 3 games, the Leafs had more shots (109-84), scoring chances (97-72), scoring chance shots (64-47), high danger chances (38-23), high danger shots (30-22), and had a better xGF% (54.4%).

Then as problematic as that description of what Marner's brought may be, be upset about that, instead of blowing some nothing quote out of proportion.
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I guess that just goes to show you how good/reliable/useless they are. You can’t admit something when it’s staring you right in the face. NO/NONE/ZERO compete level at the starts of games 5 and 6.
And you say the quote from Marner that I had, you attribute to him using a cliche, but then have a lame excuse for another quote where he basically said the same thing. Good one Dekes, or is it Dubas? You both sound alike.
 
WTFMAN99 said:
It's fair, I think he has more to give...I hope he has success.
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I'd describe it as accurate but lacking power

If i was him I'd be looking to get in closer to the net, make use of screens and beg for the bumper role on the PP

I could see consistent 30+ goal totals If he did those things
 
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Kiwi said:
I'd describe it as accurate but lacking power

If i was him I'd be looking to get in closer to the net, make use of screens and beg for the bumper role on the PP

I could see consistent 30+ goal totals If he did those things
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only if he is best man for the job, and only if its best for the team.

I mean who cares about 30 goals for marner if we are a weaker team for him playing there, if say JT is better there and his goals go down or if shots go down becasue marner isnt on the outside passing (his strength) to other scorers on the pp.
 
Walshy7 said:
only if he is best man for the job, and only if its best for the team.

I mean who cares about 30 goals for marner if we are a weaker team for him playing there, if say JT is better there and his goals go down or if shots go down becasue marner isnt on the outside passing (his strength) to other scorers on the pp.
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I think he'd be suited to that job

If he's in the middle of the box he has multiple passing options and if the D doesn't pinch up he can get close enough to the blue paint to make his shot a scoring threat

That gives our 1st unit, Matthews, Nylander, Marner and Tavares as shooting threats

That's far more dangerous than last season imo
 
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Walshy7 said:
im not ignoring it in fact you are by using pace, why are you attributing his goal totals to 82 games? season was 56 games from the start. You aren't making sense here, either way you look at it pace is obviously stupid. He has proven that he can fall behind pace in a 82 game season before, OR its only a 56 game season and therefore cant attribute 82 games to his goal tally. In both cases you are wrong.
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It is obviously stupid to use raw totals to compare an 82gm season with a 56gm season.
 
Most posters are not complaining about his regular season stats or performance other then his lack of goals in almost a full seasons worth of game on the PP.
The problem is his last 3 playoff series so constantly bringing up “on pace for” and “expected goals” seems like some posters are trying to make him look better and distract away from the post season
 
Kiwi said:
I'd describe it as accurate but lacking power

If i was him I'd be looking to get in closer to the net, make use of screens and beg for the bumper role on the PP

I could see consistent 30+ goal totals If he did those things
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I agree entirely with this.
 
Dekes For Days said:
They are very good, reliable, and useful. Montreal had a strong start in that game, but we had plenty of compete throughout.
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When you show up after spotting the other team a few goals, you don't get credit for that. That should be the bare minimum expectation.
 
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A1LeafNation said:
When you show up after spotting the other team a few goals, you don't get credit for that. That should be the bare minimum expectation.
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the pk struggled. That’s really it. 5on5 we were much better all game long. The refs decided the outcome of this game when they rattled off 4 penalties against us in first period to their none, despite numerous things they could have called Montreal on. like Gusev taking a cross check in the face

I actually thought we played pretty well. And until we actually settle on a roster and special teams units, I’m not worried about their efficiency
 
Dekes For Days said:
They are very good, reliable, and useful. Montreal had a strong start in that game, but we had plenty of compete throughout.
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But we all know that ultimately it’s whether you win or lose. So even though these advanced metrics or whatever you call them might say the Leafs, overall, dominated, bottom line is for the 5th straight year we went out in the 1st round.
 
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