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Antropovsky said:
My thoughts are - I'm okay with a lack of offensive production so long as at the end of a series he is outscoring the other teams top line when head to head against them. Not sure if his lack of production is a result of dedication to defense, bad luck, or just bad offensive choices.....

What is your opinion on his lack of production? Gonna avoid the question as usual?
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I wouldn't give a crap if he was being outscored 10-1 as long as we were winning playoff games and advancing.
 
IPS said:
It's about the same play he brought against Columbus last year. Not good enough IMO but there's always die hard homers who will try tell you it's not only good enough, but it's great. I do like what Marner's bringing outside of offense though, he is making himself useful despite the lack of offense.
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Last game was better than any single he had vs. Columbus IMO. He was more involved and dynamic, especially when the game was tighter in the first half.
 
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For those complaining about to much passing, pay attention to price. Price is so good at covering the short side that there’s literally nothing to do but try and pass.
 
m1ker said:
For those complaining about to much passing, pay attention to price. Price is so good at covering the short side that there’s literally nothing to do but try and pass.
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For an elite playmaker, Marner is set up in the perfect position. He's beside a generational goal scorer that can score in more ways than you can count. Not too mention one that he has developed chemistry with it. The fact that they can not product offense in the playoffs is head-scratching, but makes perfect sense when you see Marner passing off good looks, overthinking, giving the puck away or taking low percentage shots on net.
 
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Atomos2 said:
For an elite playmaker, Marner is set up in the perfect position. He's beside a generational goal scorer that can score in more ways than you can count. Not too mention one that he has developed chemistry with it. The fact that they can not product offense in the playoffs is head-scratching, but makes perfect sense when you see Marner passing off good looks, overthinking, giving the puck away or taking low percentage shots on net.
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Not finishing plays isn't the same as not creating any offense. The Leafs are generating 3.5 xGF/60 with Marner on the ice, which is actually up from 2.7 xGF/60 during the regular season. He's also giving up less defensively at 5v5 and on the penalty kill. The only knock on him is that plays he's making aren't being finished as often, but that's also on his linemates

Also, the Tatar-Danault-Gallagher line has historically been completely dominant at 5v5. The fact that Marner (and Matthews and Hyman) are crushing them territorially is an extremely positive sign
 
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CantLoseWithMatthews said:
Not finishing plays isn't the same as not creating any offense. The Leafs are generating 3.5 xGF/60 with Marner on the ice, which is actually up from 2.7 xGF/60 during the regular season. He's also giving up less defensively at 5v5 and on the penalty kill. The only knock on him is that plays he's making aren't being finished as often, but that's also on his linemates

Also, the Tatar-Danault-Gallagher line has historically been completely dominant at 5v5. The fact that Marner (and Matthews and Hyman) are crushing them territorially is an extremely positive sign
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I'm not knocking his ability to generate chances. As you have shown its still strong. But the decision making when those chances arise is the problem. He's was always great at finding the best option to capitalize on scoring chances. But now the majority of the chances he's generating end up in wtf moments where you can clearly see him overthinking and wasting those opportunities. Maybe its fatigue, but he's gotta get back to what he normally does.

And no need to mention the Danault line. They're irrelevant compared to the guys they are facing lol.
 
I went back and listened to that part of the Gilmour interview again and should clarify that he didnt refer to the list incident. It was Marner playing on the 4th line. Paul Marner was complaining to Gilmour about it and wanted Mitch out of there. Doug told him not to worry about it. That Mitch was too good and he would embarrass Babcock by being on the 4th line.
 
JT AM da real deal said:
Babs as da responsible adult with years of pro coaching experience did not handle da Paul issue well with Mitch as a rook .. it was not just one incident which was reported public .. now from very personal experience as one of Mitch's former spring coaches as a kid it is a difficult situation to deal with as Paul used to coach Mitch post game and practices with video tapes .. I know of no other parent who coaches his kid like Paul and I have seen them all .. I am not saying it was easy but it should have been better handled by Babs .. it is never a good thing when you are battling with a parent for control of coaching .. Lou did what he could to cover Babs too .. it was much more than Paul could handle so good on Killer for being an outlet .. Paul has completely backed off once Mitch got his contract .. in fact he is hardly ever even around anymore which will help Mitch too
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A lot of hockey parents are ridiculous. I've seen some of those old clips of Paul when Mitch was a kid and he was on another level. Plus I've seen some of his online posts arguing with other people. Its one thing to be a crazy hockey parent when your kid is still a kid. Its a joke when that kid is now an adult professional and you are still interfering with their career. Same with Lindros' mom.
 
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Gallagbi said:
Last game was better than any single he had vs. Columbus IMO. He was more involved and dynamic, especially when the game was tighter in the first half.
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The best part was when he started hitting on the forecheck. It was a good to see that level of buy in from a player who sometimes feels shy to get involved in the heavy stuff, and it was while defending a lead as well. Ideally, Marner finds his groove offensively and can generate a ton of offense but when he doesn't - and can consistently raise his floor, those are the factors that will have the Leafs up in a series like we are seeing now.
 
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Zybalto said:
During the regular season ranked out of the 68 forwards with at least 90+ PK minutes for xGA/60 on the PK (first line PK defenders):

1. Killorn
2. Fischer
3. Aho
4. Marner
5. Bergeron

Top 3 premier setup man in the NHL, top 5 in the NHL for points and now well-established top 5 PKing forward.

I'm not sure what planet you would have to live on to criticize the guy.
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Thanks for this, he’s such a well rounded contributor to actually look for ways to bash him is perhaps the saddest Leaf thing going. Critiquing is fine, some solid points made about decision making, too cute at times, that’s fair, but it’s the crowd waiting to pounce on every misstep, while simultaneously ignoring the extensive contributions that bring out the need to check the insanity.
 
Not worried the first line will produce tonight , hatrick by Marner or Matthews.
 
THIs Mitch thread gets more hits when when nylander starts playing well.

WHen nylander goes back to disappearing they will disappear

There will always be this disconnect with leaf fans regarding marner and nylander
 
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Bigmarycombo said:
THIs Mitch thread gets more hits when when nylander starts playing well.

WHen nylander goes back to disappearing they will disappear

There will always be this disconnect with leaf fans regarding marner and nylander
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Would be nice to just have them both playing well and have both threads realize we have some helluva great players.
 
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Dekes For Days said:
More accurately, searching for any instance of what you want to see, and focusing only on that. Unfortunately, you're not following his play closely. You're ignoring his statistics, unless it's something like judging playmakers by exclusively goals. You're not watching the games, by your own admission. I'm not sure how that's "following closely". It's not really a surprise why your takes on Marner have been so wrong. It's very telling that what actually happened was a good game by Marner, and the broadcasters gushing over his play, and your response was to discuss the most negative off-hand comment that was made about him.

I've given plenty of valuable input on Marner, in this and many other threads. And even better, my input has been supported by the facts.

Using facts and evidence to show why somebody's opinion is incorrect =/= "attacking" people. You've been very vocal about Marner, with no substantiation, and you've been going around tagging people. Expect people to respond.
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seriously why bother, I really doubt dude is serious
 
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