Mississauga Steelheads 2022-23 Off-Season Thread

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I'm not surprised they went in this direction, just hoping for strong returns! Would love if they could get an 06' back for Del Mastro, don't think DBB could get one on his own

I'm not surprised they went in this direction, just hoping for strong returns! Would love if they could get an 06' back for Del Mastro, don't think DBB could get one on his own



Kerr should sell this team and get an owner that cares about winning.
 
If allowing Richmond to sell-off Del Mastro, Del Bel Belluz, and OAs maybe the owner does care about building a team that can win more than one that can get him 1-2 rounds of play-off gates each year.
 
I'm not surprised they went in this direction, just hoping for strong returns! Would love if they could get an 06' back for Del Mastro, don't think DBB could get one on his own
As long as they get a return that is sufficient I'm for this. They had nothing left in the draft grid to build from not to mention they were dead going forward without a upgrade in goal this year.
 
In regards to Kerr selling to a owner that "cares about winning", with Kerr as the owner I believe the teams stays in Missy, if he did sell I believe it would just be a matter of time before they're gone. I'm not going to do too much complaining about the owner, especially when you look at some of the other situations going on around the league.
 
In regards to Kerr selling to a owner that "cares about winning", with Kerr as the owner I believe the teams stays in Missy, if he did sell I believe it would just be a matter of time before they're gone. I'm not going to do too much complaining about the owner, especially when you look at some of the other situations going on around the league.

What is the status of the building lease? I think that would have a lot to do with the viability of any sale.

I think the big problem for the OHL right now is no community seems poised to be investing in new infrastructure. Therefore, I don’t see another option better than Mississauga In the short term.
 
What is the status of the building lease? I think that would have a lot to do with the viability of any sale.

I think the big problem for the OHL right now is no community seems poised to be investing in new infrastructure. Therefore, I don’t see another option better than Mississauga In the short term.

I believe a four year deal was signed a few years ago, how the lost covid season factors in I don't know. I know Kerr did a little public negotiating by saying the city of Mississauga was going with a 4k attendance figure and then he shortly signed up. I would assume he got a more realistic rent but cannot confirm. Rumors were abounding that he was approached about selling the team during this time and possibly the team would be moved shortly there after but my understanding is he wasn't interested in selling. Just scuttlebutt no sources. Kerr also started a AM radio station in Mississauga so he is committed to the community at the very least.
 
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I believe a four year deal was signed a few years ago, how the lost covid season factors in I don't know. I know Kerr did a little public negotiating by saying the city of Mississauga was going with a 4k attendance figure and then he shortly signed up. I would assume he got a more realistic rent but cannot confirm. Rumors were abounding that he was approached about selling the team during this time and possibly the team would be moved shortly there after but my understanding is he wasn't interested in selling. Just scuttlebutt no sources. Kerr also started a AM radio station in Mississauga so he is committed to the community at the very least.

I think it comes down to whether he can break even or at least come close to it. If he can break even then it works. If he doesn’t break even then it gets tough to carry the team long term.

Recent reports suggest a team needs an average of 2500 fans in a Central travel region. More in the outer regions. Missy averages around 1800 or so. I can’t see them breaking even even with favourable rent. He can only keep them so long while watching his Franchise value increase.
 
Watching Beglieri play against the U.S. at the WJC right now, how did J.R. think this guy was better than Ranger?
 
Is Hardie hurt or is it a numbers thing with 3 OA’s already playing? Or a potential trade in the works
 
Watching Beglieri play against the U.S. at the WJC right now, how did J.R. think this guy was better than Ranger?
Beglieri is two years younger than Ranger. Ranger was not good enough to be one if the OAs for Richmond obviously
 
I think it comes down to whether he can break even or at least come close to it. If he can break even then it works. If he doesn’t break even then it gets tough to carry the team long term.

Recent reports suggest a team needs an average of 2500 fans in a Central travel region. More in the outer regions. Missy averages around 1800 or so. I can’t see them breaking even even with favourable rent. He can only keep them so long while watching his Franchise value increase.
I agree in general but do the recent reports differentiate between dealing with the city or corporate landlords? I believe NB has a deal ( civic landlord )where they could sell less tickets then they did in Brampton and stay a bit above water. In other words a certain threshold is guaranteed. I have no idea about these arrangements here but it could be a factor in play or partially in play that could keep the losses at an acceptable level to Kerr. If you write a cheque for tickets ( I know, not many would ever do that anymore) it's payable to the City of Mississauga, not to the Steelheads, so there may be some kind of arrangement at hand. And who knows what Kerr's breaking point may be, what he can accept as losses over the years. Just spitballing, I think it's inevitable that the team does move but it won't be until Kerr sells it and who knows what conditions or circumstances makes him do so.

Good points, but the devil really comes down to the details of the lease, and what Kerr is willing to commit of his own wealth at the end of the day and the only ones who know are in Kerr's camp. Who knows what the next lease negations will bring as well, but it won't be public knowledge. Perhaps it indirectly ties in with JR having a open ended contract (ohl4life I believe was the source) as there could be a lot of moving parts behind the scenes.

Is Hardie hurt or is it a numbers thing with 3 OA’s already playing? Or a potential trade in the works

Hardie could be on the trading block, or perhaps they are trying to drum up some interest in Urberti, or perhaps some of both.
 
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Watching Beglieri play against the U.S. at the WJC right now, how did J.R. think this guy was better than Ranger?

With imports you are somewhat relying on international scouting and foreign connections to get a pipeline of who's available. They didn't want to keep Ranger as a OA, they had Hardie, Charging Charlie and Urberti going in so it made sense to trade Ranger for some picks, which they needed and take a swing at a import netminder. Beglieri probably looked a lot better and had better film last year in his own country and league to look like a viable solution. But yes, he has been a disappointment over all, and JR may have decided to sell if he couldn't find a good solution in goal going forward.

Honest question to anyone, who have been the top Import goalies drafted this year and when (where) did they go? I'll have go look it up myself, The import draft isn't about BPA, there is a lot of international connections and knowing who is willing to report to what team that has more to do with the draft order.
 
I agree in general but do the recent reports differentiate between dealing with the city or corporate landlords? I believe NB has a deal ( civic landlord )where they could sell less tickets then they did in Brampton and stay a bit above water. In other words a certain threshold is guaranteed. I have no idea about these arrangements here but it could be a factor in play or partially in play that could keep the losses at an acceptable level to Kerr. If you write a cheque for tickets ( I know, not many would ever do that anymore) it's payable to the City of Mississauga, not to the Steelheads, so there may be some kind of arrangement at hand. And who knows what Kerr's breaking point may be, what he can accept as losses over the years. Just spitballing, I think it's inevitable that the team does move but it won't be until Kerr sells it and who knows what conditions or circumstances makes him do so.

Good points, but the devil really comes down to the details of the lease, and what Kerr is willing to commit of his own wealth at the end of the day and the only ones who know are in Kerr's camp. Who knows what the next lease negations will bring as well, but it won't be public knowledge. Perhaps it indirectly ties in with JR having a open ended contract (ohl4life I believe was the source) as there could be a lot of moving parts behind the scenes.



Hardie could be on the trading block, or perhaps they are trying to drum up some interest in Urberti, or perhaps some of both.

In fairness, the lease is likely only a small percentage of the expense.
 
In fairness, the lease is likely only a small percentage of the expense.

True, but the unknown is the owner's tolerance of red ink contrasted to his personal and of course financial commitment to the team. Kerr is a die hard Mississauga guy, he started a radio station based out of Mississuaga which I'm sure only a few thousand even know about. I agree with your points but Kerr isn't your typical owner but I'm sure he has his pressure points but who knows what his line in the sand is, and how much further ahead.

I agree with you in many ways, but just pointing out on this thread that it may not be as cut and dried as other markets and leases, and owner's commitment. Then again in all fairness he could put the team up for sale in the near future and they're gone. I'm just pointing out how there are unknown factors involved, though I get it, OHL business is interesting. Cheers, good convo, need more of this on the boards instead of the shenanigans that often take up the space and oxygen on these boards!
 
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True, but the unknown is the owner's tolerance of red ink contrasted to his personal and of course financial commitment to the team. Kerr is a die hard Mississauga guy, he started a radio station based out of Mississuaga which I'm sure only a few thousand even know about. I agree with your points but Kerr isn't your typical owner but I'm sure he has his pressure points but who knows what his line in the sand is, and how much further ahead.

I agree with you in many ways, but just pointing out on this thread that it may not be as cut and dried as other markets and leases, and owner's commitment. Then again in all fairness he could put the team up for sale in the near future and they're gone. I'm just pointing out how there are unknown factors involved, though I get it, OHL business is interesting. Cheers, good convo, need more of this on the boards instead of the shenanigans that often take up the space and oxygen on these boards!

We can only go on the normal scenario’s and extrapolate from there. 2500 per game is the norm for Central teams that don’t have as large of a Hotel/Road Trip commitment as the more remote teams. I am sure there are very generous concessions afforded to the Steelheads. It only makes sense. However, it is still tough to average 1800 regardless of lease concessions.

Red ink tolerance is a huge factor. It needs to be offset by franchise value increases. Franchise values have increased quite a bit over the years. And, you have to know that if that team sells, it results in a move. It would increase the franchise value two to three fold.

Hypothetically speaking, if Kerr has the pockets to withstand a $200k per year loss, he can offset that by the future sale. I’m sure there are risk management guys that provide the financial analytics in that regard to help justify the maintenance of the team at least in the short term.
 
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We can only go on the normal scenario’s and extrapolate from there. 2500 per game is the norm for Central teams that don’t have as large of a Hotel/Road Trip commitment as the more remote teams. I am sure there are very generous concessions afforded to the Steelheads. It only makes sense. However, it is still tough to average 1800 regardless of lease concessions.

Red ink tolerance is a huge factor. It needs to be offset by franchise value increases. Franchise values have increased quite a bit over the years. And, you have to know that if that team sells, it results in a move. It would increase the franchise value two to three fold.

Hypothetically speaking, if Kerr has the pockets to withstand a $200k per year loss, he can offset that by the future sale. I’m sure there are risk management guys that provide the financial analytics in that regard to help justify the maintenance of the team at least in the short term.

Yeah, I'd say we're pretty much saying the same things overall, I was just trying to clarify some of the local variables that could be in play to offset some red ink the Steelheads have on their ledger. As you pointed out there could be nuances and clauses regarding the lease but that's just the 10 percent tip of the iceberg, the real condition is Kerr's tolerance for some red ink, just pointing out he may be more patient in that regards then another owner in a normal OHL market would tolerate. Mississauga is a different beast, if they sold tickets to sit in the PFF centre when the Raptors where in the finals the place would have been packed. The GTA and Mississauga aren't sports towns, they're snobby and for the most part Johnny come lately bandwagon jumpers and that's with 3 NA sports franchises in the area. I go to various cities around the GTA for work and sometimes further and my Steelheads keychain gets more notice in Barrie, Sudbury, Oshawa, Ottawa, on and on then it ever gets here in town. Believe me, living in the GTA has some really crappy moments and the support of anything short of a Pro league (CFL doesn't exsist here to most) hardly makes this any kind of a sports town.
 
With imports you are somewhat relying on international scouting and foreign connections to get a pipeline of who's available. They didn't want to keep Ranger as a OA, they had Hardie, Charging Charlie and Urberti going in so it made sense to trade Ranger for some picks, which they needed and take a swing at a import netminder. Beglieri probably looked a lot better and had better film last year in his own country and league to look like a viable solution. But yes, he has been a disappointment over all, and JR may have decided to sell if he couldn't find a good solution in goal going forward.

Honest question to anyone, who have been the top Import goalies drafted this year and when (where) did they go? I'll have go look it up myself, The import draft isn't about BPA, there is a lot of international connections and knowing who is willing to report to what team that has more to do with the draft order.
Of the 6 drafted, the best of the bunch is playing in Portland. I noticed Kingston's Zhigalov was drafted twice (2021 Sherbrooke).

 
Whats with Missy selling? They literally have the exact same team as last year yet somehow significantly worse?

lol league makes no sense
 
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Whats with Missy selling? They literally have the exact same team as last year yet somehow significantly worse?

lol league makes no sense
Probably cause they dont have great goaltending, just my guess.

I expect MISS will go full sell mode. Could see DBB, Beck, Del Mastro and Hardie all moved by the 10th
 
Whats with Missy selling? They literally have the exact same team as last year yet somehow significantly worse?

lol league makes no sense
Goaltending is the main factor, just look at the sv% that has been posted so far.

Also many of the returning players (outside of their stars) were unable to take a step forward (i.e. Lavoie, Veccia, Schwindt, Misa). New additions were mostly failures (Enright, Struthers, Cooke)

Would make sense to sell and rebuild, and it doesn't look like they can win with this core and even if they buy, don't have the assets to keep up with the other top teams in the East
 
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