Miscellaneous NHL Talk XXXV

[Captain Dave Poulin]

He's going to tear through half of that on eyebrow pluckings alone, especially if he goes to that expensive spa in Jersey where The Situation works.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

You online dislike him because of his goatee, correct?

I dislike him in all settings because of his goatee. I would have disliked him in 1991 when that goatee was hatched.

 

[Rebels57]

I dislike him in all settings because of his goatee. I would have disliked him in 1991 when that goatee was hatched.

I'm totally fine with you only disliking him for this reason. I'm a fan of the Captain brand.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

I'm totally fine with you only disliking him for this reason. I'm a fan of the Captain brand.

Thanks bud

 

[deadhead]

Yeah, that contract is a risk. It's also the kind you should be jumping at taking as a team.

To me, solid two way centers are the lowest risks you can take.
Offense first players are much bigger risks, because when they have a down year offensively, they're often putrid players.
Whereas if Nico has an off year offensively, his all around game would still make him 2C quality, thus a slight, not gross overpay.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Yeah, that contract is a risk. It's also the kind you should be jumping at taking as a team.

I mean just in this thread we’re criticizing a guy who’s 30 & paid big money that he’s not the same player he was years ago when he inked the deal.

But in the same time we’re also criticizing a 20 year old who’s shown a good base line of play to this point & best years should still be ahead of him that they’re investing too much.

 

[Rebels57]

Wonder if Patrick will even get 1/3 of what Hischier got on his 2nd contract? What a difference ONE PICK can make in a Draft.

 

[PHILOUDELPHIA]

They will probably offer the other young guys, big money

 

[PHILOUDELPHIA]

Wonder if Patrick will even get 1/3 of what Hischier got on his 2nd contract? What a difference ONE PICK can make in a Draft.

It would help if Patty, puts up 50 goals

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

Wonder if Patrick will even get 1/3 of what Hischier got on his 2nd contract? What a difference ONE PICK can make in a Draft.

If Patrick can put up 40 points this season, I could see him getting maybe a bridge of 3 years for 4.5M per.

 

[Magua]

Wonder if Patrick will even get 1/3 of what Hischier got on his 2nd contract? What a difference ONE PICK can make in a Draft.

SIX PICKS.

 

[Rebels57]

SIX PICKS.

Elias?

 

[Rebels57]

If Patrick can put up 40 points this season, I could see him getting maybe a bridge of 3 years for 4.5M per.

If he scores at a 40 point pace, his bridge should be less than $3.5 like Kapanen and Johansson

 

[Magua]

Elias?

Casey.

 

[Rebels57]

Casey.

5 points in 8 games so far this season

 

[FLYguy3911]

That is LAUGHABLE !!!!

500k more AAV than Provy with an extra year of control. What's the problem exactly?

 

[tictactoe]

decent, assuming he will progress.

 

[bennysflyers16]

500k more AAV than Provy with an extra year of control. What's the problem exactly?

More % or cap McKinnon got at time
More than Connor, Nylander and Keller and don’t think he’s as good as any of them. And worse PPG than all of them

Is he close to 2 mill better than TK, not in my view.

 

[Magua]

More % or cap McKinnon got at time
More than Connor, Nylander and Keller and don’t think he’s as good as any of them. And worse PPG than all of them

Is he close to 2 mill better than TK, not in my view.

The same MacKinnon who paced for 48 points in his 2nd year? Who was viewed as disappointing? Let's not use revisionist history here. It was a different contract climate for RFAs, and he still only peaked at ~60 points. The cap % isn't drastically different, and Hischier is signed 7 years.

Know what position Nylander, Konecny, Connor, and Keller play? Wing. Their approximated value in that 2 year span? 4.3, 3.1, 3.0, 1.7 WAR. Their ages? 21-22 (Nylander....can use 20-21 if you want to use his other 2 year sample, which was worth the same); 20-21 (TK); 21-22 (Connor); Keller (19-20). They were all older. Connor as much as 3 years. How is that a comparison? Hischier at age 18 and 19 paced for 52 and 55 points. He was worth 6 WAR. He is a center. He only scored 6 and 8 PP points in those years too on PP2. Right there is 10-15 points of meat on the bone without much improvement.

Writing off Hischier as "[not] as good as any of them" is basically a discussion ender. I am a Keller fan and believe in his long-term potential, but Hischier is more advanced, better all-around, and produces the same. Signing him to an almost identical deal is a no-brainer. Maybe I should direct you to the Hayes deal in comparison to this "laughable" contract.

 

[Starat327]

The same MacKinnon who paced for 48 points in his 2nd year? Who was viewed as disappointing? Let's not use revisionist history here. It was a different contract climate for RFAs, and he still only peaked at ~60 points. The cap % isn't drastically different, and Hischier is signed 7 years.

Know what position Nylander, Konecny, Connor, and Keller play? Wing. Their approximated value in that 2 year span? 4.3, 3.1, 3.0, 1.7 WAR. Their ages? 21-22 (Nylander....can use 20-21 if you want to use his other 2 year sample, which was worth the same); 20-21 (TK); 21-22 (Connor); Keller (19-20). They were all older. Connor as much as 3 years. How is that a comparison? Hischier at age 18 and 19 paced for 52 and 55 points. He was worth 6 WAR. He is a center. He only scored 6 and 8 PP points in those years too on PP2. Right there is 10-15 points of meat on the bone without much improvement.

Writing off Hischier as "[not] as good as any of them" is basically a discussion ender. I am a Keller fan and believe in his long-term potential, but Hischier is more advanced, better all-around, and produces the same. Signing him to an almost identical deal is a no-brainer. Maybe I should direct you to the Hayes deal in comparison to this "laughable" contract.

HiScHier gEts tO PlaY wiTh HaLl

 

[Magua]

HiScHier gEts tO PlaY wiTh HaLl

Sarcasm noted: the same Hall who played 33 games last year?

None of those players play(ed) with talent, that's for sure. Matthews, Scheifele, Wheeler, Couturier, Giroux -- it's amazing how they overcame that linemate talent deficiency. Well, besides Keller, who has his own red flags in his 2 years that need ironing out.

 

[Starat327]

Sarcasm noted: the same Hall who played 33 games last year?

None of those players play(ed) with talent, that's for sure. Matthews, Scheifele, Wheeler, Couturier, Giroux -- it's amazing how they overcame that linemate talent deficiency. Well, besides Keller, who has his own red flags in his 2 years that need ironing out.

 

[bennysflyers16]

The same MacKinnon who paced for 48 points in his 2nd year? Who was viewed as disappointing? Let's not use revisionist history here. It was a different contract climate for RFAs, and he still only peaked at ~60 points. The cap % isn't drastically different, and Hischier is signed 7 years.

Know what position Nylander, Konecny, Connor, and Keller play? Wing. Their approximated value in that 2 year span? 4.3, 3.1, 3.0, 1.7 WAR. Their ages? 21-22 (Nylander....can use 20-21 if you want to use his other 2 year sample, which was worth the same); 20-21 (TK); 21-22 (Connor); Keller (19-20). They were all older. Connor as much as 3 years. How is that a comparison? Hischier at age 18 and 19 paced for 52 and 55 points. He was worth 6 WAR. He is a center. He only scored 6 and 8 PP points in those years too on PP2. Right there is 10-15 points of meat on the bone without much improvement.

Writing off Hischier as "[not] as good as any of them" is basically a discussion ender. I am a Keller fan and believe in his long-term potential, but Hischier is more advanced, better all-around, and produces the same. Signing him to an almost identical deal is a no-brainer. Maybe I should direct you to the Hayes deal in comparison to this "laughable" contract.

The 3 I listed all have higher point per games and I think are better and cheaper, looks like I hit a nerve.

Guess we will see. Admit I have only saw him twice so far this year, and he was not good in either of them.

 

[wankstifier]

Hischier is a Devil so of course the contract is "bad".

 

[Magua]

The 3 I listed all have higher point per games and I think are better and cheaper, looks like I hit a nerve.

No, you just struck bullshit oil, benny.

You didn't address any point I made about his age, overall impact, position, and negligible difference in scoring to overcome that.