Miscellaneous NHL Discussion XLIX: Covid Cup Edition

[Starat327]

Hogg for Engvall this offseason, straight up:

Pitt already offered their 2022 1st rounder.

 

[orangey]

Hogg for Engvall this offseason, straight up:

They'd probably throw in a 3rd.

 

[TB87]

Pitt already offered their 2022 1st rounder.

Hahahaha! Nice

 

[FLYguy3911]

Pettersson is a weird case. He was like 150 pounds his draft year, lanky at that and still not much bigger than that today. Sloppy skater. Laid a couple eggs in international tournaments. Older for his class. His u18 production wasn't anything special but he took off in the Allsvenskan and then took his game to another level after the draft with Vaxjo.

 

[FLYguy3911]

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

 

[CanadianFlyer88]

There was no way a kid with no NHL experience was starting Game 3 of this series barring injury.

Now, the back to back makes is slightly more likely that Halak could get injured in Game 3, though.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

There was no way a kid with no NHL experience was starting Game 3 of this series barring injury.

Now, the back to back makes is slightly more likely that Halak could get injured in Game 3, though.

And they get to do it all over again in a week for Games 6 and 7.

 

[Psuhockey]

Pettersson is a weird case. He was like 150 pounds his draft year, lanky at that and still not much bigger than that today. Sloppy skater. Laid a couple eggs in international tournaments. Older for his class. His u18 production wasn't anything special but he took off in the Allsvenskan and then took his game to another level after the draft with Vaxjo.

People were hyping him all over this board pre draft. I would hope if the amateur scouts here had an idea how good he could be, I would hope professional guys had an idea too.

This isn’t an inditement of the Flyers scouts for not passing on Patrick and taking Pettersson. They went the safe route and went with consensus. Although it’s interesting that whenever the Flyers have gone safe at the top of the draft, it really hasn’t worked out for them. Ricci, Pitkanen, JVR, and Patrick. The one time they went completely off the board at the top of the draft, Forsberg, it was a grandslam homerun although for another team.

 

[BritainStix]

He plays with Pastrnak

Just like Toews played with Kane

Imagine good players playing with good players. Outrageous.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

People were hyping him all over this board pre draft. I would hope if the amateur scouts here had an idea how good he could be, I would hope professional guys had an idea too.

This isn’t an inditement of the Flyers scouts for not passing on Patrick and taking Pettersson. They went the safe route and went with consensus. Although it’s interesting that whenever the Flyers have gone safe at the top of the draft, it really hasn’t worked out for them. Ricci, Pitkanen, JVR, and Patrick. The one time they went completely off the board at the top of the draft, Forsberg, it was a grandslam homerun although for another team.

Let's not perpetuate this terrible idea for a fourth decade. Ricci was the right pick, and the only pick, for the team at the time.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Chayka making out like a bandit...

 

[Prongo]

I think the chances of them trading OEL just sky rocketed. As a budget team, they need those picks to help sustain their product. Wouldn’t surprise me to actually see Toronto jump in on OEL. Use the Penguins pick and some other smaller assets like Engvall for the trade? Not a crazy idea..

 

[flyersnorth]

When you draft 2nd overall, you should get a player at or near Pettersson's level. We have twice in 13 years and didn't come close either time.

It would be funny if it were any other team.

EP has more than double NP's points in fewer games.

Heiskanen has more points than NP in 5 more games.

Logan Couture or Max Pacioretty would have been a better pick than JVR.

In the end, I don't think any GM really strays from the two picks we made. Hindsight.

But none of that has any bearing on NP. He is who he is, and I really hope he gets his condition under control and comes back healthy and ready to take the next step.

He's probably a middle six C, with a ceiling of a strong 2C or average 1C.

It really sucks that he's not even around the team. He's just kind of drifted into oblivion.

 

[flyersnorth]

never understood this...Mickey Mouse represents of the most successful businesses of all time. But its used as an analogy to failure.

Not important obviously, just always been odd to me. Carry on

Interesting side story.

Back when I was studying media and animation, our prof decided to show us an old (1930s?) Disney animated feature. Pretty sure it was Disney - I'll try and locate it.

Anyway, the scene in question is a big band made up of the usual Disney universe animal characters.

He played it, it ended, then asked us if we noticed anything peculiar. No one did.

He played it again, asked the same question. Same response.

Then he slowed it down for us, frame by frame.

About halfway through, there's a closeup of a duck (I think) playing the sax. Everything is normal.

Then about 10 frames later, the duck looks at the camera, winks, pulls out a syringe from his coat, and shoots up some smack, then puts it away and keeps playing.

We were blown away haha. It happens over like 4-5 frames, and no one picked it up in real time.

Pretty sneaky!

 

[flyersnorth]

Ricci

Picking Ricci over Jagr is probably the single biggest alternate universe picks they've ever made.

If we picked Jagr, maybe we have a Cup or two.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

It just happens, some years the guys at the top of the draft just aren’t run away talents as other years & that’s somewhat evident even on draft day. It happened in 2011, 2014, 2017, etc. Obviously you get really rare years like 2015 where not only McDavid at #1 but you have Eichel at #2 who’s probably a run away #1 in most other years.

I think the problem is people buy into hype media puts out there & whether subconsciously or not buys into the mentality where there isn’t a big difference between year to year #1/#2’s in a draft (not even talking the rare cases like 2015).

 

[flyersnorth]

It just happens, some years the guys at the top of the draft just aren’t run away talents as other years & that’s somewhat evident even on draft day. It happened in 2011, 2014, 2017, etc. Obviously you get really rare years like 2015 where not only McDavid at #1 but you have Eichel at #2 who’s probably a run away #1 in most other years.

I think the problem is people buy into hype media puts out there & whether subconsciously or not buys into the mentality where there isn’t a big difference between year to year #1/#2’s in a draft (not even talking the rare cases like 2015).

Yeah, it happens. As @Rebels57 was saying, though, it just really blows that both times we had #2 overall, we ended up with players who are not franchise players / elite talent.

We turned JVR into Luke Schenn, straight up.

I wonder if we could get Jack Johnson for Patrick?

 

[DancingPanther]

Jesus is James Andrews doing this surgery? It's his elbow isn't it? Crazy injury saga for a hockey player

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Yeah, it happens. As @Rebels57 was saying, though, it just really blows that both times we had #2 overall, we ended up with players who are not franchise players / elite talent.

We turned JVR into Luke Schenn, straight up.

I wonder if we could get Jack Johnson for Patrick?

Yeah but we also weren’t planing on being terrible or in the case of 2017 getting really lucky in the lottery & these were just one & done situations. But ultimately that’s why some teams start tearing down their teams when legit prizes are to potentially be had are on the horizon.

There was a reason some teams were starting to gut their teams in the years leading up 2015 & 2016 with McDavid, Eichel, & Matthews potentially up for grabs.

 

[TB87]

Jesus is James Andrews doing this surgery? It's his elbow isn't it? Crazy injury saga for a hockey player

Having his 2nd shoulder surgery in the last 12(ish) months

 

[DancingPanther]

Having his 2nd shoulder surgery in the last 12(ish) months

Ahhh shoulder not elbow ok. Knew it was his arm. Still, sounds like a baseball player

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

It just happens, some years the guys at the top of the draft just aren’t run away talents as other years & that’s somewhat evident even on draft day. It happened in 2011, 2014, 2017, etc. Obviously you get really rare years like 2015 where not only McDavid at #1 but you have Eichel at #2 who’s probably a run away #1 in most other years.

I think the problem is people buy into hype media puts out there & whether subconsciously or not buys into the mentality where there isn’t a big difference between year to year #1/#2’s in a draft (not even talking the rare cases like 2015).

Pretty much this. It's less important to get high picks than it is to get high picks at the right time. Both Philly and Carolina have picked 2nd overall twice in recent memory. Flyers got JVR (who is fat) and Patrick (who has had some awful f***ing luck). Canes got Eric Staal (who is the leading one of the best drafts ever in goals and points scored) and Svechnikov (who was pacing for 70+ points at 19)

Hell, from 03-06 Shitsburgh picked 1,2,1,2 and could have done much better with two of them, but it didn't matter because the other two were f***ing Crosby and Malkin.

Unfortunately unless it's a slam dunk kind of prospect like McDavid or Eichel, it's hard to really gauge exactly what you're going to get until they get there.

 

[Curufinwe]

Chayka making out like a bandit...

Much harsher than I expected. They really pissed off the other teams.

 

[Jtown]

Chayka making out like a bandit...

What exactly did they do