Miscellaneous NHL Discussion XCVIII: Orange is the new Orange (Poll in OP)

[Curufinwe]

Funny that we had Russians wearing the flag of the US military with no issues, but in 2023 the rainbows were too much.

 

[Audible Velvet]

The Flyers can ruin anything. Quite remarkable.

 

[Cody Webster]

If you need a jersey to be worn to feel welcome, then there's bigger issues that need to be addressed

 

[DancingPanther]

Love doesn't always win when it comes to Ivan Provorov I guess

Ruined the fun for everyone

Traded during pride month.

I bet Ivan is so proud of himself for sticking up for what he believes in. The NHL is 10 ply

 

[DancingPanther]

If you need a jersey to be worn to feel welcome, then there's bigger issues that need to be addressed

If you sit at a table of 9 bigots and you don't say anything or you back down, then you're at a table of 10 bigots.

 

[Cody Webster]

If you sit at a table of 9 bigots and you don't say anything or back down, then you're at a table of 10 bigots

They're still having the nights, the players just aren't wearing the jersey. Players are still free to support whatever cause they want with their own time.

 

[BringBackFletcher]

Oh great, this dopey argument again.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

They're still having the nights, the players just aren't wearing the jersey. Players are still free to support whatever cause they want with their own time.

Then why even refuse to wear the jersey? The night is still happening anyway after all. Is touching skin *the line*?

We can go round and round if you want to use that as an argument...

Mind you, my life hasn't changed as a result of this, but it's just funny the NHL said "Alright, f*** it - no one gets anything now"

Oh great, this dopey argument again.

Well until Briere makes a trade, this dopey argument is the best we've got probably.

 

[Striiker]

There are very good aspects of the special warmup jerseys, mainly fundraising. No one complained about any of them until people had a problem with the pride one. Saying no to all of them is the only option once the pride sweater became a big deal but most of the backlash from it is because the anti LGBTQ+ stuff is the flavor of the week(month/year) on social media.

It’s really just a whole real life example of “this is why we can’t have nice things”.

That’s why it never should have been a thing in the first place. This was always going to happen eventually when you tell people that they’re going to be advertising something instead of giving them an opportunity to volunteer/opt-in. The only question was “when, who, and which cause” would spark the issue.

But of course a league like the NHL wouldn’t be able to think ahead and avoid problems before they pop up.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Then why even refuse to wear the jersey? The night is still happening anyway after all. Is touching skin *the line*?

We can go round and round if you want to use that as an argument...

Mind you, my life hasn't changed as a result of this, but it's just funny the NHL said "Alright, f*** it - no one gets anything now"



Well until Briere makes a trade, this dopey argument is the best we've got probably.

I’m bored, and a little feisty today lol.

Does it have to be a whole month and seemingly constantly everywhere? Shoving it down our throats, and up our ass. It’s just another thing that’s going to be milked for election reasons.

 

[FLYguy3911]

There are very good aspects of the special warmup jerseys, mainly fundraising. No one complained about any of them until people had a problem with the pride one. Saying no to all of them is the only option once the pride sweater became a big deal but most of the backlash from it is because the anti LGBTQ+ stuff is the flavor of the week(month/year) on social media.

It’s really just a whole real life example of “this is why we can’t have nice things”.

I will place no restrictions on what you can wear bb.

 

[deadhead]

There are very good aspects of the special warmup jerseys, mainly fundraising. No one complained about any of them until people had a problem with the pride one. Saying no to all of them is the only option once the pride sweater became a big deal but most of the backlash from it is because the anti LGBTQ+ stuff is the flavor of the week(month/year) on social media.

It’s really just a whole real life example of “this is why we can’t have nice things”.

How would you feel about a hard right wing owner (there are a number of them) requiring players to wear MAGA warmup jerseys?
Which is why the league finally did the right thing, don't force players to endorse political positions, implicitly or explicitly.
Corporations are best served staying out of lobbying for political and social issues, "corporate social responsiblity" is an oxymoron.
It is the people in corporations who should as citizens be involved in social issues.
Which is why treating the corporate entity as a "person" is a fatal flaw in American jurisprudence.

 

[Cody Webster]

Then why even refuse to wear the jersey? The night is still happening anyway after all. Is touching skin *the line*?

We can go round and round if you want to use that as an argument...

Mind you, my life hasn't changed as a result of this, but it's just funny the NHL said "Alright, f*** it - no one gets anything now"



Well until Briere makes a trade, this dopey argument is the best we've got probably.

Maybe they don't want to? I'm not the one refusing to wear the jersey, so I can't answer that question. By doing away with the jersey, it keeps problems like what happened with the Flyers and Provorov from happening. They aren't canceling the theme night, so they are still including the people that matter.

 

[Fire Tortorella]

Supporting pride night and the LGBTQ community is not a political position.

 

[BringBackFletcher]

Sigh... supporting basic equality for a group of people is not a political position

 

[deadhead]

Supporting pride night and the LGBTQ community is not a political position.

Of course it is, it's just a position you support, so you don't consider it controversial.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

I like how people are blaming Provorov for the league’s decision, instead of looking inwardly & realizing, “Gee, maybe if I focused on the good, instead of frothing outrage & trying to ruin the 1% who declined to wear the jersey, none of this would have happened.”

 

[usahockey22flyers]

Was really hoping for a Flyers trade today.

 

[Cody Webster]

In other news

 

[GKJ]

Just as the players who didn’t want to participate were allowed to, players who do want to should be permitted.

Was really hoping for a Flyers trade today.

Just keep that seatbelt buckled and keep following the reporting

 

[Rebels57]

In other news

Hayes + Konecny?

 

[Strawberry Fields]

No better way to drum up support for a cause than forced compliance (and name-calling + a public witch hunt if you respectfully decline).

 

[Cody Webster]

Hayes + Konecny?

That was kind of my thought. What does Boston have to give up?

 

[blackjackmulligan]

I like how people are blaming Provorov for the league’s decision, instead of looking inwardly & realizing, “Gee, maybe if I focused on the good, instead of frothing outrage & trying to ruin the 1% who declined to wear the jersey, none of this would have happened.”

love Ivan

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Of course it is, it's just a position you support, so you don't consider it controversial.

As respectfully as I can manage, no. It’s not a political issue to many. It is an issue that has become politicized. That’s indisputable. To be clear, I’m not talking about a shirt or a night or anything else superficial like that.

But I would never think less of someone personally because they want more/less taxes or bigger/smaller government or even gun control. This isn’t an issue of what you or I think is the best way to accomplish something. It’s about being kind. That’s it.

No better way to drum up support for a cause than forced compliance (and name-calling + a public witch hunt if you respectfully decline).

I remember when you used to be pleasant. Are you ok? This is 100% serious. My PMs are always open.