Miscellaneous NHL Discussion XCVII: Florida Panthers vs. Vegas Golden Knights Stanley Cup Finals (Poll in OP)

[Hollywood Cannon]

Has he ever explained why he holds the phone at an odd angle over his head for these clips?

#Lore

 

[DancingPanther]

Has he ever explained why he holds the phone at an odd angle over his head for these clips?

I hate him so much

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Dubas is a mediocrity. That has nothing to do with Fletcher, simply the facts of his tenure.

He took over a 100 point team with a core of elite talent in their early and mid-20s. They were slightly better in the regular season under him, but only got to the 2nd rd once in five years. Lost to Boston, CBJ, Montreal, TB, finally beat TB to lose to Florida.

He had zero moves where he brought in major talent other than overpaying JT, which forced him to overpay Matthews and Marner, putting them in cap hell.
Traded away draft picks like he was allergic to them, seemed to have no coherent strategy.

Why people think he's anything special is beyond me.

Once again demonstrating your inability to be even slightly objective. Dubas was their Interim GM, AGM, and GM of the Marlies before getting the big chair. We have no idea what he did or didn’t do. And if you liked Dubas or he had even owned an orange t shirt at one point, you would point to his Calder Cup win as evidence of competence. The playoffs matter more except here.

Despite being mostly capped out, he brought in Muzzin, Giordano, and Brodie in short succession. The Giordano contract in particular was such a ridiculous below market bargain that it often gets excluded from contract modeling. Plus your narrow definition here manages to skate around giving any credit whatsoever for picking Hyman off of the scrap heap. But when it was Fletcher adding secondary pieces at top of market rates, you had weeks-long diatribes explaining how right it was. At one point, I was checking the skies above my house for banners spelling out “CHUCK HAD NO CHOICE.”

Matthews and Marner were two players who were always going to try to maximize their earnings. I could even excuse not knowing this about Matthews, but to speak with authority on the subject while blowing off Paul Marner as the impetus demonstrates a total misunderstanding of Mitch’s career going back to his mid teens.

I do have issues with Dubas. At some point, he did lean into the grit the media kept breening for longingly. That’s what gutted their depth, not Tavares. Explaining what happened there would have been my first question had I interviewed him. If no good answer was forthcoming, I probably wouldn’t have hired him. But giving him the chance to explain it is thoroughly reasonable.

 

[GKJ]

 

[FLYguy3911]

Is he going to make it through that many picks?

 

[Don Nachbaur 26]

Is he going to make it through that many picks?

He'll probably be stunned that there weren't more 2nd rd. picks traded for nothing

 

[Striiker]

Of all people on the entire planet, why would you pick the most boring and least intelligent creature to ever exist?

 

[GKJ]

Didn't they have Pierre last year?

 

[deadhead]

Once again demonstrating your inability to be even slightly objective. Dubas was their Interim GM, AGM, and GM of the Marlies before getting the big chair. We have no idea what he did or didn’t do. And if you liked Dubas or he had even owned an orange t shirt at one point, you would point to his Calder Cup win as evidence of competence. The playoffs matter more except here.

Despite being mostly capped out, he brought in Muzzin, Giordano, and Brodie in short succession. The Giordano contract in particular was such a ridiculous below market bargain that it often gets excluded from contract modeling. Plus your narrow definition here manages to skate around giving any credit whatsoever for picking Hyman off of the scrap heap. But when it was Fletcher adding secondary pieces at top of market rates, you had weeks-long diatribes explaining how right it was. At one point, I was checking the skies above my house for banners spelling out “CHUCK HAD NO CHOICE.”

Matthews and Marner were two players who were always going to try to maximize their earnings. I could even excuse not knowing this about Matthews, but to speak with authority on the subject while blowing off Paul Marner as the impetus demonstrates a total misunderstanding of Mitch’s career going back to his mid teens.

I do have issues with Dubas. At some point, he did lean into the grit the media kept breening for longingly. That’s what gutted their depth, not Tavares. Explaining what happened there would have been my first question had I interviewed him. If no good answer was forthcoming, I probably wouldn’t have hired him. But giving him the chance to explain it is thoroughly reasonable.

Meh. Dubas took over a great situation, an elite core under 25, then goes out and adds JT instead of building a team around his core, much like Edmonton, a top heavy offensive team that never put together a balanced squad.

Why was he capped out? He inherited Marleau but also made his own bed.

He traded 3 1st rd picks in the last 5 drafts, #15 in 2020, Amirov, hasn't had a cup of coffee, only player from five drafts on the Leafs in the playoffs was Knies, #57-2021.

Basically, he went all in with trades and FA signings and came up short, again and again.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Fletcher gave them a first & second rounder just for the right to be there.

 

[Curufinwe]

Meh. Dubas took over a great situation, an elite core under 25, then goes out and adds JT instead of building a team around his core, much like Edmonton, a top heavy offensive team that never put together a balanced squad.

Why was he capped out? He inherited Marleau but also made his own bed.

He traded 3 1st rd picks in the last 5 drafts, #15 in 2020, Amirov, hasn't had a cup of coffee, only player from five drafts on the Leafs in the playoffs was Knies, #57-2021.

Basically, he went all in with trades and FA signings and came up short, again and again.

So, like, one mistake?

 

[Tripod]

It needs to be said again...up here there are whispers that Dubas wanted to make moves that Shanny veto'd. That's why he wanted more autonomy when negotiating his contract. So who KNOWS what other things might have happened that could have helped the team.

In Pitt, he will have that autonomy. Let's see what he does.

 

[Tripod]

Speaking of Leafs, Shane Doan is joining them as AGM

 

[landsbergfan]

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Meh. Dubas took over a great situation, an elite core under 25, then goes out and adds JT instead of building a team around his core, much like Edmonton, a top heavy offensive team that never put together a balanced squad.

In a vacuum, this would be fine. Unfortunately this isn't one.

Tell me with a straight face you would have ever applied this standard in this way to Chuck Fletcher.

Why was he capped out? He inherited Marleau but also made his own bed.

He traded 3 1st rd picks in the last 5 drafts, #15 in 2020, Amirov, hasn't had a cup of coffee, only player from five drafts on the Leafs in the playoffs was Knies, #57-2021.

Basically, he went all in with trades and FA signings and came up short, again and again.

He had the opportunity to add a 28yo John Tavares for nothing but cap space on a team that was ready to contend. I'm never blaming a GM for doing that unless it costs them someone on the Matthews/Marner/Nylander level. It didn't. While we're at it, Tavares immediately rewarded the decision by being one of the two most productive 5v5 Goal Scorers in the NHL that next year.

You keep calling these teams top-heavy. Tavares' first roster in Toronto had the following Forwards on it:

Marner, Tavares, Matthews, Nylander, Kapanen, Kadri, Johnsson, Hyman, Marleau

Last week or the week before, you were explaining how good teams have less high quality Forwards than some people think. Now the Dubas Leafs were always top heavy despite the very first year of Tavares ruining them having 9 Forwards who were undeniably Middle 6 or better. Either you're only remembering what happened toward the end of his Toronto tenure or you're unaware of what did happen.

 

[Starat327]

In a vacuum, this would be fine. Unfortunately this isn't one.

Tell me with a straight face you would have ever applied this standard in this way to Chuck Fletcher.



He had the opportunity to add a 28yo John Tavares for nothing but cap space on a team that was ready to contend. I'm never blaming a GM for doing that unless it costs them someone on the Matthews/Marner/Nylander level. It didn't. While we're at it, Tavares immediately rewarded the decision by being one of the two most productive 5v5 Goal Scorers in the NHL that next year.

You keep calling these teams top-heavy. Tavares' first roster in Toronto had the following Forwards on it:

Marner, Tavares, Matthews, Nylander, Kapanen, Kadri, Johnsson, Hyman, Marleau

Last week or the week before, you were explaining how good teams have less high quality Forwards than some people think. Now the Dubas Leafs were always top heavy despite the very first year of Tavares ruining them having 9 Forwards who were undeniably Middle 6 or better. Either you're only remembering what happened toward the end of his Toronto tenure or you're unaware of what did happen.

Spend your time playing D4 instead. More productive.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Spend your time playing D4 instead. More productive.

Blizzard doesn't make games that interest me anymore. It's all polish over substance. However!

Spoiler

 

[Starat327]

Blizzard doesn't make games that interest me anymore. It's all polish over substance. However!

Spoiler

Oh no bb. Wat is u dng

 

[oooooooooohCanada]

#15 in 2020, Amirov, hasn't had a cup of coffee

He was progressing great in his D+1 and then was diagnosed with brain cancer and still hasn't been cured. His career is basically over and is on something like his 3rd cycle of chemo.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Oh no bb. Wat is u dng

Making my end of league currency dump build in PoE! If you RMTed what I've spent so far, you could get ~250 USD or so for it. Not done yet. Still crafting.

 

[Starat327]

Making my end of league currency dump build in PoE! If you RMTed what I've spent so far, you could get ~250 USD or so for it. Not done yet. Still crafting.

People still buy at end of season?!?

 

[JojoTheWhale]

People still buy at end of season?!?

Yes. Still tens of thousands of people playing. Just not a few hundred thousand like early in the league.

But it’s also not end of league. It just is for me because I didn’t enjoy the mechanic. The base game is in such a good state that I made 4 builds though. League actually ends early August.

 

[Starat327]

Yes. Still tens of thousands of people playing. Just not a few hundred thousand like early in the league.

But it’s also not end of league. It just is for me because I didn’t enjoy the mechanic. The base game is in such a good state that I made 4 builds though. League actually ends early August.

Ah gotcha. And then you what, just bank currency on these characters to send to non-lwague basically?

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Ah gotcha. And then you what, just bank currency on these characters to send to non-lwague basically?

I dump it on a ridiculously expensive end of league character and then leftovers rot in Standard, yep. This last build will cost more than my first 3 put together, even crafting everything myself.

 

[Chinatown88]

Blizzard doesn't make games that interest me anymore. It's all polish over substance. However!

Spoiler

I always knew you were one of those individuals who have 5 billion tabs open.