Miscellaneous NHL Discussion XCVII: Florida Panthers vs. Vegas Golden Knights Stanley Cup Finals (Poll in OP)

[deadhead]

For you analytic nerds:

Nandakumar & Jensen - Historical Perspectives and Current Directions In Hockey Analytics - Annual Review of Statistics and Its Application 2019

https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/pdf/10.1146/annurev-statistics-030718-105202

Lojain Farah, Evaluating the Efficacy of Talent Identification And Development in the National Hockey League Entry Draft, Diss 2022, York U.

http://130.63.180.190/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10315/39577/Farah_Lojain_2022_PhD.pdf?sequence=2&isAllowed=y

Pelletier et al., Associations Between Testing and Game Performance in Ice Hockey; a Scoping Review​

file:///C:/Users/Steve/OneDrive/Documents/Holding%20Pen/New%20Articles/sports-09-00117-v2.pdf

 

[Beef Invictus]

Them & Carolina were the teams people had being relocated to Quebec City all those years before they stabilized on the ice.

And stabilizing on the ice required management cleanouts.

 

[Tripod]

Tv up here today discussing Dubas.

He wanted more control because their were moves he wanted to make that Shanny said no to.

Pitt was close to signing another guy as GM but when Dubas came available it changed everything.

Thinks they may not even name a GM since it's Kyles show to run.

Mentioned Spezza could be a guy that follows Dubas to Pitt and gets a title like AGM.

Since 2019, said Pitt lacked a real identity and direction. Said hiring Dubas brings lots of excitement compared to Hextall and Burke hirings.

Also said lots of hard work ahead due to lack of assets and bad contracts like Granlund. But said Kyle has been great at bringing in cheap guys who way outplay their contracts...Hyman, Bunting, Spezza, etc...

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

That 17 OA pick of the Penguins should be one to target. Dubas said something like "I talked to Sid the other day, and the idea is to win now," so it should be up for grabs. I don't even care who we send their way as long as we get value.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Wanted them to badly beat NJ that year.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Wanted them to badly beat NJ that year.

Goldberg! How much makeup did they need?

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Wanted them to badly beat NJ that year.

I wish they would go back to those jersey's

 

[Amorgus]

I wish they would go back to those jersey's

If Disney still owned them they'd have remade the logo.into a realistic CG duck

 

[Rebels57]

Wanted them to badly beat NJ that year.

Same here. That was heartbreaking. Especially after the Stevens-Kariya incident. Still probably my favorite non-Flyer goal ever scored...and maybe the best goal call in NHL history by Gary Thorne.



Speaking of which, f*** Scott Stevens.

 

[CutOnDime97]

Wanted them to badly beat NJ that year.

This is the first SCF I remember being super invested in

 

[Striiker]

Hockey players are the worst

 

[Amorgus]

Hockey players are the worst

He learned all he knows about the sport from Bubble Hockey: Stand in one spot with a cartoonishly long stick and spin, spin, spin.

 

[Audible Velvet]

Hockey players are the worst

I’m satisfied. Case closed.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Hockey players are the worst

It’s not that size doesn’t matter. Although in today’s game most players even the taller ones are slimmed down compared to the past. So it’s more so reach that is valuable. But the people that are in charge of the game are so paralyzed by it to the point they over & underrate players based on it.

Most of those players listed have adequate puck/offensive skills though.

 

[deadhead]

It’s not that size doesn’t matter. Although in today’s game most players even the taller ones are slimmed down compared to the past. So it’s more so reach that is valuable. But the people that are in charge of the game are so paralyzed by it to the point they over & underrate players based on it.

Most of those players listed have adequate puck/offensive skills though.

Players have slimmed down, but it's on the margin, I think average weights have declined about 5 lbs.
So you're talking 6'3 225 instead of 6'3 230.

The bigger impact is probably a higher minimum level of mobility, even big guys have to skate at a level that's significantly better than a decade or two ago, though L Schenn is a cockroach, can't be killed. So the slowest guys are out of the game.

 

[Magua]

6'3 230lbs.

There's probably < 10 skaters in the league who are 230lbs+. And most of them are like 6'6.

 

[Beef Invictus]

6'3 230lbs.

There's probably < 10 skaters in the league who are 230lbs+. And most of them are like 6'6.

I'm drafting a bunch of 6'7 guys right now and they tend to top out at 220, so that checks out.

 

[CutOnDime97]

6'3 230lbs.

There's probably < 10 skaters in the league who are 230lbs+. And most of them are like 6'6.

Here are guys <=6'3 and >=220 lbs

Elite Prospects - NHL - Season 2023-2024

Complete rosters, stats and facts from all hockey leagues in the world.

www.eliteprospects.com

 

[BigToe]

Here are guys <=6'3 and >=220 lbs

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Elite Prospects - NHL - Season 2023-2024

Complete rosters, stats and facts from all hockey leagues in the world.

www.eliteprospects.com

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Didn't know Tarasenko was that thicc

 

[FLYguy3911]

Didn't know Tarasenko was that thicc

His nickname is Tank, dawg.

 

[GKJ]

Dubas on day 1 gutted the front office lol

 

[CutOnDime97]

Dubas on day 1 gutted the front office lol

 

[Curufinwe]

 

[Striiker]

Pittsburg is firing people who are likely better than the ones we just promoted.

Two orgs going in opposite directions.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Same here. That was heartbreaking. Especially after the Stevens-Kariya incident. Still probably my favorite non-Flyer goal ever scored...and maybe the best goal call in NHL history by Gary Thorne.



Speaking of which, f*** Scott Stevens.

JS Giguere was on fire that playoffs, wish we had some analytics back then to see the extent of it.

Weird team though, they had two top tier talents in Kariya & Selanne so not like a rag tag to the fullest like the 96 Florida team. But in the end probably didn’t have as much depth as NJ who were one of the deeper organizations of that era.