Miscellaneous NHL Discussion XCIX: We're Gonna Party Like It's 99

[landsbergfan]

Babcock still creepy AF eh?

I’m in a leadership role at work and I don’t give a f*** what my subordinates have on their phones. It’s not my business & it has nothing to do with work. Why would anyone want access to that?

Jarmo and Davidson should be getting their feet held to the fire by ownership over this debacle. I 100% wouldn’t sign off on a hire like this. Ownership has a hand in this too. Even a half-assed vetting process should’ve nipped this dude’s candidacy in the bud.

That’s why you’ll never win a Stanley Cup

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

You think this sort of stuff stays hidden?

Players problem with Torts have been either PT or disliking being pushed to play harder. Some players just don't like to be pushed, others thrive under that sort of cajoling.

He's demanding, as are some other HCs, but he's a decent human being, just a pain to play for b/c he won't accept complacency.

They attempted to keep the Babcock stuff hidden! It's a perfect example here that the older generation of players (Jenner and Gaudreau) just accept it and try to run interference for the organization while the younger generation sees it for what it is.

John Tortorella has skeletons in his closet just like every other coach. Your constant stance of "no one criticizes him out in the open" so that means that he's well liked continues to be wrong. You have no idea if he's a decent human being. Tortorella was upset that Cam York essentially wouldn't fight him last training camp. That's f***ed up.

 

[Rebels57]

Tortorella has been given far too much power by the Flyers for the players to come out and criticize his tactics while they are still here. He was called the f***ing "spiritual leader" by the new owner. Make no mistake, the Flyers are the Cult of Tortorella.

 

[freakydallas13]

Tortorella has been given far too much power by the Flyers for the players to come out and criticize his tactics while they are still here. He was called the f***ing "spiritual leader" by the new owner. Make no mistake, the Flyers are the Cult of Tortorella.

The team f***ing picked a GM based on deferring their authority to the coach, and people are trying to say that lack of players on the team coming forward with complaints against Torts is proof that: in fact, all the players love him?

If ever there was a situation that screamed "kiss the (coach's) ring or suffer the consequences", this is surely f***ing it.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

The media has already told you there’s been issues between Tortorella & players here. They just have framed it as a them thing & not a Tortorella thing. It’s not just the guys they have shipped out either. You have Sanheim, York, Farabee, & Frost that have been reported to have incidents with Tortorella that have caused friction between them.

It’s laughable to suggest Tortorella doesn’t participate in pointless mind games to exert dominance over players when we have examples of just that in his short tenure here nonetheless his other stops.

 

[deadhead]

Name me a HC who doesn't have issues with players in the course of a season.

Sanheim flat out sucked last year after he got his big pay day, what HC wouldn't be frustrated? Now I can see where they would have problems, Sanheim is a bit fragile and probably would be better served by a HC who'd coddle him (and Briere did try to move him).

York was fine when he returned, Torts only complaint was he wants York to be more assertive on offense - if that's the biggest problem they have between them . . .

Farabee was a balancing act, Trots admitted Farabee was hampered by not having an offseason, but also didn't want that to be an excuse - that's a tough balancing act. How much slack do you cut v how hard due you push?

Frost didn't play well to start the season, it's wasn't about points, it was primarily his play without the puck. Torts rode him, and guess what, Frost played better, was more responsible defensively, got more PT with better wings and played far better than at any point since he turned pro.

Torts took over a team that had floated through two bad seasons, and historically had a "country club" atmosphere. This team needed a good kick in the ass. He may go overboard at times, but last season you didn't see a team that gave up when it was down a couple goals, looking to get the game over with so they could hit the bar.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Is it good coaching to send a guy to the minors because he wouldn’t get confrontational with you?

 

[JojoTheWhale]

• Denial
• Anger
• Bargaining <----
• Depression
• Acceptance

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Is it good coaching to send a guy to the minors because he wouldn’t get confrontational with you?

Depends on whether or not that guy is a toilet seat.

 

[freakydallas13]

Name me a HC who doesn't have issues with players in the course of a season.

Name all the coaches the players voted on that they hate more than Torts.

Name all the coaches who get in this many spats with their own players.

 

[deadhead]

Is it good coaching to send a guy to the minors because he wouldn’t get confrontational with you?

That is not why York was sent to the minors, he sucked in training camp.

I watched the exhibition games, York did not look like the same player as the previous spring, nor did he look like that player the first month at LHV.
I still contend he bulked up too much and lost lateral agility.

Note when he returned Torts put him on the first pair with Provorov and played him 19 minutes a night. Seems he didn't stay in the dog house for long.

The difference between AV and Torts, is when you got on AV's bad side, there was no redemption, Torts gives players 2nd and 3rd chances before giving up on them.

Name all the coaches the players voted on that they hate more than Torts.

Name all the coaches who get in this many spats with their own players.

Bruce Cassidy was run out of Boston by his players.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

That is not why York was sent to the minors, he sucked in training camp.

I watched the exhibition games, York did not look like the same player as the previous spring, nor did he look like that player the first month at LHV.
I still contend he bulked up too much and lost lateral agility.

Note when he returned Torts put him on the first pair with Provorov and played him 19 minutes a night. Seems he didn't stay in the dog house for long.

The difference between AV and Torts, is when you got on AV's bad side, there was no redemption, Torts gives players 2nd and 3rd chances before giving up on them.


Bruce Cassidy was run out of Boston by his players.

Gee, maybe because an asshole coach was playing stupid mind games with him to stroke his ego played a role in his “sucky” play.

Is attempting to get a player to have a confrontation/fight and being disappointed when they don’t fall for it what you would consider good coaching?

P.S. York didn’t suck in training camp.

 

[freakydallas13]

Bruce Cassidy was run out of Boston by his players.

Cassidy not on the list, try again.

Also, you didn't mention any coaches actively feuding with 1/3 of their roster. How many other coaches are doing that?

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Gee, maybe because an asshole coach was playing stupid mind games with him to stroke his ego played a role in his “sucky” play.

Is attempting to get a player to have a confrontation/fight and being disappointed when they don’t fall for it what you would consider good coaching?

P.S. York didn’t suck in training camp.

I don’t know why would a guy who’s literally paid employee of the team in Bill Meltzer write about that incident & the ultimate clash that resulted from it being why York was sent down on his website forum.

 

[wasup]

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Cassidy not on the list, try again.

Also, you didn't mention any coaches actively feuding with 1/3 of their roster. How many other coaches are doing that?

I posted a poll earlier that had a list of the most hated coaches in the NHL . Tort's was # 1 on the list but someone on here just seemed to gloss right by it and claims they love him .
You get three guesses .
#1
#2
#3

 

[Flyerfan4life]

so i read a rumor Danny is shopping Frost to OTT.

haahah i knew ol Torts wanted "toilet seat" gone...

#rebuild... LOOOL

 

[Tripod]

MUST DEFEND TORTS!!!

 

[bennysflyers16]

Overdrive guys tore Babs apart.
Then listed off other coaches who are but decent people away from hockey.

Torts was not listed by them , hope he is next

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Overdrive guys tore Babs apart.
Then listed off other coaches who are but decent people away from hockey.

Torts was not listed by them , hope he is next

I obviously don’t live in Canada but just seeing clips on the internet oven the years Jeff O’Neill never shies away taking a flamethrower towards Babcock whenever the subject comes up.

 

[deadhead]

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Cassidy not on the list, try again.

Also, you didn't mention any coaches actively feuding with 1/3 of their roster. How many other coaches are doing that?

Most of that kind of polling is on media reputation, not personal experience.

Why the Bruins fired Bruce Cassidy: Coach’s style took ‘toll’ on team, says GM Don Sweeney​

Don Sweeney says he fired Bruce Cassidy because message took 'toll' on players

The Bruins are now looking for a coach who will likely have histories of promoting concepts like positivity and growth mindset.

theathletic.com

Word is out that Bruins players had their say in​

Bruce Cassidy’s firing. It’s a risky revelation.​

Word is out that Bruins players had their say in Bruce Cassidy’s firing. It’s a risky revelation. - The Boston Globe

Players should certainly be heard, but it’s a fine line when they have a hand in pulling the strings.

www.bostonglobe.com

Bruins players went over General Manager to Can Neely to force Bruce Cassidy's firing​

Bruins players went over General Manager to Can Neely to force Bruce Cassidy's firing

The hockey world was shocked earlier last week when the Boston Bruins fired their long-tenured coach, Bruce Cassidy. Based on

www.bladeofsteel.com

 

[freakydallas13]

Most of that kind of polling is on media reputation, not personal experience.

Why the Bruins fired Bruce Cassidy: Coach’s style took ‘toll’ on team, says GM Don Sweeney​

Don Sweeney says he fired Bruce Cassidy because message took 'toll' on players

The Bruins are now looking for a coach who will likely have histories of promoting concepts like positivity and growth mindset.

theathletic.com

Word is out that Bruins players had their say in​

Bruce Cassidy’s firing. It’s a risky revelation.​

Word is out that Bruins players had their say in Bruce Cassidy’s firing. It’s a risky revelation. - The Boston Globe

Players should certainly be heard, but it’s a fine line when they have a hand in pulling the strings.

www.bostonglobe.com

Bruins players went over General Manager to Can Neely to force Bruce Cassidy's firing​

Bruins players went over General Manager to Can Neely to force Bruce Cassidy's firing

The hockey world was shocked earlier last week when the Boston Bruins fired their long-tenured coach, Bruce Cassidy. Based on

www.bladeofsteel.com

Are we allowed to hand wave a coach's worst year away, like you do for Torts' Vancouver stint? Because if not I could pull up more damning quotes about his tenure there than these about Cassidy.

Also, no one on Cassidy's current team is complaining about him. That means the players must love him, right?

Yeah, thank god Torts is an entirely different situation from Cassidy, God Emperor Torterella would never have disgruntled young players grate with his coaching style.

 

[deadhead]

I'm sure no one complained about Cassidy as they drank from the Cup.

 

[freakydallas13]

I'm sure no one complained about Cassidy as they drank from the Cup.

I'm confused, do lack of current complaints against a coach indicate that the players love that coach or not?

 

[Magua]

Does lack of success allow for complaining? Because, boy, do I have news…..