Miscellaneous NHL Discussion XCIX: We're Gonna Party Like It's 99

[Hollywood Cannon]

We know if the Flyers tanked, and had the worst record, they'd have ended up with the 3rd pick in the draft and still would have drafted Michkov.

Bedard is going to be very good, but shining in a prospects game (which plays to his strengths b/c lack of defensive structure) really doesn't tell me anything - he's supposed to dominate games like that.

And?

 

[Danko]

One of the underrated things about the Chiclets crew exposing what happened in CBJ is that piece of trash Mark Madden getting called out

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Whitney claimed in another recent interview on another podcast that the NHLPA was calling him & Biz telling them they’re lying & they shouldn’t be putting this out there.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Whitney claimed in another recent interview on another podcast that the NHLPA was calling him & Biz telling them they’re lying & they shouldn’t be putting this out there.

This is probably relevant since the narrative now is that the NHLPA has done some great job here unearthing this investigation.

 

[landsbergfan]

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Lol, had Thatcher Venmo’s birthday party today so been out of the loop.

I just saw Babcock resigned. I’m laughing hysterically. So much for making a mountain out of a mole hill.

Get rekt dinosaurs.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

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These guys really need to have a hug off

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Lol, had Thatcher Venmo’s birthday party today so been out of the loop.

I just saw Babcock resigned. I’m laughing hysterically. So much for making a mountain out of a mole hill.

Get rekt dinosaurs.

shame our Org. will never join the party

 

[freakydallas13]

I mean they had a direct line to Hayes last year and they said as much that's he's a douche, but I guess they didn't have the dirt like they did with Babcock.


Even when the flags are bright red, this league still finds a way to cycle through the same 40 coaches at a given time.

Red flags just look like flags when you're wearing rose coloured glasses.

 

[Tripod]

Remember those 2.5 months in the summer of 2023 when the Flyers didn't have the most archaic coach in the league?

Good times.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Would be curious how many tits he saw on camera rolls when he was coaching at U of Sask the last few years.

Creepy dude

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

Gonna be very interesting seeing how other Lumbus players react to Jenner and Gaudreau after all of this, where I'm sure they feel like both players silenced their issues and problems.

I have no f***ing clue how Jarmo still has a job.

 

[renberg]

Gonna be very interesting seeing how other Lumbus players react to Jenner and Gaudreau after all of this, where I'm sure they feel like both players silenced their issues and problems.

I have no f***ing clue how Jarmo still has a job.

I suspect that there will be a league wide reaction to these events at management level. Babcock aside, TPTB in the sport are not going to take this embarrassment lightly. What’s at stake here is who has control of the actions of the franchise- the players or management?I
It could end up with players having black marks on their reputations. Bissonnette will get iced by some franchises and be lucky to get to make ads for cheap vodka. Like we’ve seen with the Flyers, the OBC does not relinquish power easily. As long as they’re the ones that are signing the checks, they have control.

 

[TB87]

Babcock still creepy AF eh?

I’m in a leadership role at work and I don’t give a f*** what my subordinates have on their phones. It’s not my business & it has nothing to do with work. Why would anyone want access to that?

Jarmo and Davidson should be getting their feet held to the fire by ownership over this debacle. I 100% wouldn’t sign off on a hire like this. Ownership has a hand in this too. Even a half-assed vetting process should’ve nipped this dude’s candidacy in the bud.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Gonna be very interesting seeing how other Lumbus players react to Jenner and Gaudreau after all of this, where I'm sure they feel like both players silenced their issues and problems.

I have no f***ing clue how Jarmo still has a job.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

So a lot of words without saying anything.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

https://thehockeynews.com/news/exclusive-spencer-knight-on-why-he-sought-help

I get why it’s easy to jump to conclusions, but you just never know what people are going through.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

https://thehockeynews.com/news/exclusive-spencer-knight-on-why-he-sought-help

I get why it’s easy to jump to conclusions, but you just never know what people are going through.

Glad he got the help he needed. I could see how that could spiral out of control to point of being non-functional. Hope he shows it this year.

 

[deadhead]

Babcock still creepy AF eh?

I’m in a leadership role at work and I don’t give a f*** what my subordinates have on their phones. It’s not my business & it has nothing to do with work. Why would anyone want access to that?

Jarmo and Davidson should be getting their feet held to the fire by ownership over this debacle. I 100% wouldn’t sign off on a hire like this. Ownership has a hand in this too. Even a half-assed vetting process should’ve nipped this dude’s candidacy in the bud.

Babcock is weird. Torts is just demanding, there is a difference.

But notice Torts never had these issues in CBJ, Jarmo is the one that tanked that franchise, and got bailed out by the Blackhawks in the Sean Jones trade. Torts is the only HC who actually was able to make CBJ a winning team.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Babcock is weird. Torts is just demanding, there is a difference.

But notice Torts never had these issues in CBJ, Jarmo is the one that tanked that franchise, and got bailed out by the Blackhawks in the Sean Jones trade. Torts is the only HC who actually was able to make CBJ a winning team.

You’re in the locker room? You interact with the man?

The issues were brought to light because young players were upset about it. The vets on the team defended the guy. You have NO idea what Torts does or does not do. All we know is that Torts has said himself he has a disconnect with today’s youth. Torts’ tenure in Columbus is irrelevant here.

 

[deadhead]

You’re in the locker room? You interact with the man?

You think this sort of stuff stays hidden?

Players problem with Torts have been either PT or disliking being pushed to play harder. Some players just don't like to be pushed, others thrive under that sort of cajoling.

He's demanding, as are some other HCs, but he's a decent human being, just a pain to play for b/c he won't accept complacency.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

And then he made them a loser. Or most coaches just exist.

Or my personal choice — most coaches just exist but some also have the threat of torpedoing your relationship with any person at any point in time.

You think this sort of stuff stays hidden?

I gotta say. I don’t understand how you can come to any other conclusion than this weird, manipulative stuff is interwoven into the hockey pseudo culture. Forget Babcock or Tortorella as individuals. This wasn’t just allowed to fester the core of hockey, it was cultivated. Insulating it was part of the identity of the community.

 

[deadhead]

And then he made them a loser. Or most coaches just exist.

Or my personal choice — most coaches just exist but some also have the threat of torpedoing your relationship with any person at any point in time.



I gotta say. I don’t understand how you can come to any other conclusion than this weird, manipulative stuff is interwoven into the hockey pseudo culture. Forget Babcock or Tortorella as individuals. This wasn’t just allowed to fester the core of hockey, it was cultivated. Insulating it was part of the identity of the community.

What Babcock did was a bit over the line.

More common is the "macho man" attitudes that led to concussions being downplayed in all sport until the medical evidence was overwhelming, and the mysognist and racist attitudes that pervaded male sports beginning in Junior High, combined with a sense of entitlement as talented players face a different standard of behavior b/c coaches at lower levels depend on their play for their jobs.

The difference the past couple decades is a combination of money and media attention, when sports were less lucrative and sportswriters more embedded, things were swept under the rug - but now no league wants to alienate the TV audience and kill the golden goose. And there are so many outlets for stories that nothing can be buried anymore if a player wants to get it out there, whether under his name or anonymously.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

What Babcock did was a bit over the line.

More common is the "macho man" attitudes that led to concussions being downplayed in all sport until the medical evidence was overwhelming, and the mysognist and racist attitudes that pervaded male sports beginning in Junior High, combined with a sense of entitlement as talented players face a different standard of behavior b/c coaches at lower levels depend on their play for their jobs.

The difference the past couple decades is a combination of money and media attention, when sports were less lucrative and sportswriters more embedded, things were swept under the rug - but now no league wants to alienate the TV audience and kill the golden goose. And there are so many outlets for stories that nothing can be buried anymore if a player wants to get it out there, whether under his name or anonymously.

That last sentence is the rub. If a player wants to get it out there. There are plenty of ways anonymous can turn into the opposite at the drop of a hat or punishments can be meted out silently. We’ll never know the extent of the rot because the consequences of being the finger pointer can be catastrophic to your career. It’s important to note that “can be catastrophic” is the relevant bar here rather than “will be” because every person in that situation is going to weigh the risk differently. It’s all too easy to talk tough with other people’s money and lives.

I don’t believe for this secondary wave of response is anything other than PR control for exactly the reasons you stated. There’s no great undertaking. The response every time is to spackle over a hole and keep cashing the tv checks.

Hell, look at the Blackhawks circus. I’m not comparing the actual behavior. Just the organizational responses.