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McDavid would celebrate his cup win with a small vanilla soft serve.
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McDavid would celebrate his cup win with a small vanilla soft serve.
Hollywood Cannon
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What a sequence.
Zibanejad shovels one in front of the net from the corner off of Oshie's face onto the goal line of an open next where Orlov cleared it off at the last possible second for it to not be a goal.
Zibanejad shovels one in front of the net from the corner off of Oshie's face onto the goal line of an open next where Orlov cleared it off at the last possible second for it to not be a goal.
CutOnDime97
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More fun to watch. Definitely not close off the iceOV's cup winning bender would like to have a word with you.
McDavid would celebrate his cup win with a small vanilla soft serve.
Lindberg
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Ovi is great, I love his antics.
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Ovi....11 goals the last 11 games.
Must be nice
Must be nice
CutOnDime97
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Hope he keeps it up. Will be fun to watch him go for Gretz
Lindberg
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I really want to see him break Gretzky's record. He's definitely the best shooter the NHL has ever seen but I'd love to see it not be a "what if" kind of argument.
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Nope. There are other players that would have better or similar numbers if they played in this watered down, light weight game of today’s hockey.
Beef Invictus
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Games lost thanks to COVID could be the difference unfortunately
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Or OV would have just destroyed the less refined goaltending that those guys faced in a way that those guys didn't.
I'm not sure peak OV is better than peak Gretzky or peak Hull, or a select few other players, but the sheer length of time that he had been the league's dominant goalscorer is unparalleled. Nobody has been the best for so damned long, with no end in sight because the guy keeps adding to his game to stay competitive. For peak, I don't know that he's the best. For overall career, I'd give it to him already.
I remember many years ago when his speed diminished and analysts insisted it was the end of his goalscoring reign. Nah, dude just casually learned new ways to score.
Magua
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People are aware less goals get scored in today’s watered down game, right?
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We even got to see the impact in real time on long term players like Selanne.
I presume he is attributing the dip in scoring to players these days somehow being manifestly inferior, instead of attributing it to steady improvements in hockey systems and goaltending.
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Striiker
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Imagine Ovi shooting on a goalie who looks like this
instead of this
(ignore who they are, I'm looking at size and equipment)
instead of this
(ignore who they are, I'm looking at size and equipment)
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Better equipment and better technique have done much to level the playing field among goalies; compare stats from 30 years ago to stats now and the gap between top goalies and bottom goalies is way smaller.
Unless you are Hart and Elliott putting up numbers that would have been bad even in the 80s, those two are so bad they're outliers this year.
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Imagine Ovi shooting on a goalie who looks like this
instead of this
(ignore who they are, I'm looking at size and equipment)
And those pads weren't waterproof. They were also heavier to begin with, but if they tried playing full-time butterfly in those things they'd soak up water and get even heavier.
LegionOfDoom91
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Carter Hart would be considered a big goalie like 15 years ago as to now he’s more so average size.
That’s another thing that has helped improved goaltending across the board too. Larger goalies without sacrificing the athleticism/movement.
The technique for me has made goaltending & the game less fun though. Give me guys like the old days who were just told to stop the puck however you can. If you got to flop around so be it.
That’s another thing that has helped improved goaltending across the board too. Larger goalies without sacrificing the athleticism/movement.
The technique for me has made goaltending & the game less fun though. Give me guys like the old days who were just told to stop the puck however you can. If you got to flop around so be it.
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Ovechkin also has some advantages that guys in Gretzky’s time didn’t have like better training and diet. As well as better skates and sticks and no two line pass rule
LegionOfDoom91
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Butterfly's weakness is shots up high. If goalies are huge manmonsters then those holes shrink.
Prior to butterfly, large size in a goalie was considered detrimental as being too tall could slash the angles the goalie could see the puck. Darren Pang could put in a good season in the 80s, but if he played today nobody would ever let him touch the position.
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To clarify, it was thought that goalies being tall made their lives harder in terms of tracking the puck back in the day; I don't know if that's necessarily true.
LegionOfDoom91
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To a man the rosters are stronger these days too. The salary cap creates more balance. The gaps between the between the top, middle, & bottom of the league aren’t as big as they used to post salary cap. Where some small market teams were more so glorified farm teams for the big market teams in the pre-salary cap era.
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