NHL Talk Miscellaneous NHL Discussion CIX: Processing a Tremendous Amount of Insane Information

deadhead

Registered User
Feb 26, 2014
51,364
22,375


Keep in mind this is a team the Flyers are trying to emulate.

No, Carolina is the team they're trying to emulate.
Fast, deep and aggressive.

St Louis has the same problem as Boston and a few other teams, once you win it, it's tempting to roll it back year after year - then you wake up one year and find out you're old, slow and expensive.

A better question is how the Caps turned it around, they looked like they were ready to free fall.
Some of it is good goalie play -0.43 less goals than expected per game.
Not sure they can sustain this (and they're tight against the Cap) but certaintly a surprise team.

A lot was smart moves:
7/24/22 D Strome (27) 5yr/$5M AVV
6/27/24 Mangiapane (29) for 2025 2nd
6/29/24 Dubois (26) for Kuemper G
7/1/24 Raddysh (26) 1yr/$1M
7/1/24 Duhamie (27) 2yr/$1.85M
McMichael (24) #25-2021
Protas (24) #91-2019
Lapierre #22-2020
Miroshnichenko #20-2022
Now they're still carrying Ovechkin (39), Wilson (30), Eller (35), Dowd (34),
with Backstrom and Milano on LTIR ($13M).

2/28/23 Sandin (24) and 1st rd pick for Erik Gustaffson [8yr/$4.6M salary dump]
7/4/23 Fehervary (25) 3yr/$2.7M
7/1/24 Chychrun (26) for 2026 3rd and Nick Jensen
7/1/24 Roy (29) 6yr/$5.75M
Along with Carlson (35) and TVR (33)

6/23/24 Thompson (27) G for 2024 3rd, 2025 3rd
 
Last edited:

ponder719

M-M-M-Matvei and the Jett
Jul 2, 2013
8,022
11,187
Philadelphia, PA
Definitely feels like Chris Drury could panic. It’s hard to do what he wants to do and he’s hoping James Dolan stays asleep. Him waking up one day is how he got that job.

It sounds to me like they have a problem in the room, and for the low, low price of one (1) 2025 #1st and Filip Chytil, I'm prepared to offer them Scott Laughton and Erik Johnson to serve as a stabilizing presence.
 

GKJ

Global Moderator
Feb 27, 2002
193,989
44,034
No, Carolina is the team they're trying to emulate.
Fast, deep and aggressive.

St Louis has the same problem as Boston and a few other teams, once you win it, it's tempting to roll it back year after year - then you wake up one year and find out you're old, slow and expensive.

A better question is how the Caps turned it around, they looked like they were ready to free fall.
Some of it is good goalie play -0.43 less goals than expected per game.
Not sure they can sustain this (and they're tight against the Cap) but certaintly a surprise team.

A lot was smart moves:
7/24/22 D Strome (27) 5yr/$5M AVV
6/27/24 Mangiapane (29) for 2025 2nd
6/29/24 Dubois (26) for Kuemper G
7/1/24 Raddysh (26) 1yr/$1M
7/1/24 Duhamie (27) 2yr/$1.85M
McMichael (24) #25-2021
Protas (24) #91-2019
Lapierre #22-2020
Miroshnichenko #202-2022
Now they're still carrying Ovechkin (39), Wilson (30), Eller (35), Dowd (34),
with Backstrom and Milano on LTIR ($13M).

2/28/23 Sandin (24) and 1st rd pick for Erik Gustaffson [8yr/$4.6M salary dump]
7/4/23 Fehervary (25) 3yr/$2.7M
7/1/24 Chychrun (26) for 2026 3rd and Nick Jensen
7/1/24 Roy (29) 6yr/$5.75M
Along with Carlson (35) and TVR (33)

6/23/24 Thompson (27) G for 2024 3rd, 2025 3rd
They have publicly cited the Blues and it’s been reliably reported.
 

CanadianFlyer88

Knublin' PPs
Feb 12, 2004
44,357
54,090
Van City
No, Carolina is the team they're trying to emulate.
Fast, deep and aggressive.
The Sci-Fi/Fantasy thread is here. :laugh:

There is nothing at the amateur scouting, professional scouting, or asset management levels that I see being remotely similar between the Canes and Flyers.

If they were interested in what the Canes are doing, they would have hired Tulsky instead of Briere. Honestly, I'm still finding it hard to nail down what the plan is for the Flyers is going forward.
 

JojoTheWhale

"You should keep it." -- Striiker
May 22, 2008
36,392
112,059
No, Carolina is the team they're trying to emulate.
Fast, deep and aggressive.

St Louis has the same problem as Boston and a few other teams, once you win it, it's tempting to roll it back year after year - then you wake up one year and find out you're old, slow and expensive.

A better question is how the Caps turned it around, they looked like they were ready to free fall.
Some of it is good goalie play -0.43 less goals than expected per game.
Not sure they can sustain this (and they're tight against the Cap) but certaintly a surprise team.

A lot was smart moves:
7/24/22 D Strome (27) 5yr/$5M AVV
6/27/24 Mangiapane (29) for 2025 2nd
6/29/24 Dubois (26) for Kuemper G
7/1/24 Raddysh (26) 1yr/$1M
7/1/24 Duhamie (27) 2yr/$1.85M
McMichael (24) #25-2021
Protas (24) #91-2019
Lapierre #22-2020
Miroshnichenko #202-2022
Now they're still carrying Ovechkin (39), Wilson (30), Eller (35), Dowd (34),
with Backstrom and Milano on LTIR ($13M).

2/28/23 Sandin (24) and 1st rd pick for Erik Gustaffson [8yr/$4.6M salary dump]
7/4/23 Fehervary (25) 3yr/$2.7M
7/1/24 Chychrun (26) for 2026 3rd and Nick Jensen
7/1/24 Roy (29) 6yr/$5.75M
Along with Carlson (35) and TVR (33)

6/23/24 Thompson (27) G for 2024 3rd, 2025 3rd

The man brought up the Blues as a blueprint unprompted as recently as October. :laugh:
 

Chicken N Raffls

Here for the chaos and lolz
Nov 7, 2022
3,937
8,132
Douglassville
Honestly, I'm still finding it hard to nail down what the plan is for the Flyers is going forward.
You're not alone. This is Danny B right now

0db82b3a-174b-4345-8539-6c091f1f6051_text.gif
 

deadhead

Registered User
Feb 26, 2014
51,364
22,375
They have publicly cited the Blues and it’s been reliably reported.
And they said this fall that Carolina is the team they want to play like.
I think they used St Louis as an example of winning without a lot of high draft picks.
 

JojoTheWhale

"You should keep it." -- Striiker
May 22, 2008
36,392
112,059
And they said this fall that Carolina is the team they want to play like.
I think they used St Louis as an example of winning without a lot of high draft picks.

....I am confused. You responded to someone talking about contracts. So your answer here is that you quoted him with something completely different than what he was saying?
 

Curufinwe

Registered User
Feb 28, 2013
57,070
45,571
Friedman (who admits he's a danger when he has too much time to think) suggested Pettersson for Cozens and Bowen.
 

GKJ

Global Moderator
Feb 27, 2002
193,989
44,034
Feels like Vancouver is gonna have to choose between Petersson and Miller and I think they choose Miller.

Friedman (who admits he's a danger when he has too much time to think) suggested Pettersson for Cozens and Bowen.
It seems far out there especially after they basically forced him to sign an extension at the trade deadline, but it’s something that seems to just not go away
 

deadhead

Registered User
Feb 26, 2014
51,364
22,375
With a system predicated on constant pressure and speed, Carolina has been a perennial contender under Brind'Amour. Is it a blueprint for the Flyers?

"We're playing basically the same style, checking forward and all that," Tortorella said at morning skate. "I'm not sure how Roddy teaches it, but we want to press, we want to check forward, we want to take chances. I think it looks similar. I don't think we're as fast, I think they're a bit deeper team than we are, but that is going to be the blueprint. As long as I have the opportunity to coach this team, that is going to be the blueprint.

 

Curufinwe

Registered User
Feb 28, 2013
57,070
45,571
Current playoff matchups

1 Was v WC2 Ott
2 NJ v 3 Car

1 Tor v WC1 Bos
2 Fla v 3 TB

1 Min v WC2 Cal
2 Win v 3 Dal

1 VGK v WC1 Van
2 LA v 3 Edm
 

freakydallas13

Registered User
Jan 30, 2007
7,622
18,627
Vancouver
With a system predicated on constant pressure and speed, Carolina has been a perennial contender under Brind'Amour. Is it a blueprint for the Flyers?

"We're playing basically the same style, checking forward and all that," Tortorella said at morning skate. "I'm not sure how Roddy teaches it, but we want to press, we want to check forward, we want to take chances. I think it looks similar. I don't think we're as fast, I think they're a bit deeper team than we are, but that is going to be the blueprint. As long as I have the opportunity to coach this team, that is going to be the blueprint.

It really upsets you that this team has said multiple times they want to be built like St. Louis, doesn't it.

They obviously don't want to follow in Carolina's footsteps, they hired Briere over the Canes current GM despite having the hire to hire him.
 

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad

Ad