NHL Talk Miscellaneous NHL Discussion CIX: Processing a Tremendous Amount of Insane Information

[deadhead]

You forgot that Tippet is also tied to a 8 year, 6.2m anchor.

That trade continues to pay dividends, baby.

Tippett's contract is just fine, with a rising cap, forwards who score 25-30 goals a year will be getting more than that in a couple years. Contracts were suppressed by a flat cap the last three years, look for them to take off the next couple years.

 

[kudymen]

Will we also have shorter years in the future, like just 11 or 10 months or something? So it mitigates this part of the 8x6.2 equation as well?

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Tippett's contract is just fine, with a rising cap, forwards who score 25-30 goals a year will be getting more than that in a couple years. Contracts were suppressed by a flat cap the last three years, look for them to take off the next couple years.

So a rising cap justifies overpaying someone? Guess the Risto contract also won't look so bad using that rationale.

We traded 1 month of Giroux in a losing season for Tippett, Barkey and Edmonton's 2025 1st rd pick.

last season
Tippett 78g 28-25 53
Giroux 82g 21-43 64

Many many things to complain about. That trade isn't one of them.

 

[deadhead]

So a rising cap justifies overpaying someone? Guess the Risto contract also won't look so bad using that rationale.

It won't. If Risto keeps playing like he has since last season, teams will be lining up at the TDL and next summer to take on his 2x5 remaining term.

Chariot was traded for a 1st and 4th at the 2022 TDL, then signed to a 4/$19M contract at age 32, whereas Risto's deal ends at age 32.
Risto has clearly outplayed Chariot.
Physical RHDs garner a premium in both trades and in FA.

 

[Beef Invictus]

It won't. If Risto keeps playing like he has since last season, teams will be lining up at the TDL and next summer to take on his 2x5 remaining term.

Chariot was traded for a 1st and 4th at the 2022 TDL, then signed to a 4/$19M contract at age 32, whereas Risto's deal ends at age 32.
Risto has clearly outplayed Chariot.
Physical RHDs garner a premium in both trades and in FA.

No, they will not.

 

[Striiker]

No, they will not.

I’m still dying to see Fletcher get hired somewhere.

I need to watch him to do what he did to the Flyers to someone else. The only shitty part would be it won’t be the Flyers taking advantage of him because they’re just as stupid.

 

[freakydallas13]

If Risto keeps playing like he has since last season, teams will be lining up at the TDL and next summer to take on his 2x5 remaining term.

Lol.

 

[Hanover Fist]

I’m still dying to see Fletcher get hired somewhere.

I need to watch him to do what he did to the Flyers to someone else. The only shitty part would be it won’t be the Flyers taking advantage of him because they’re just as stupid.

Former Philadelphia Flyers GM Chuck Fletcher has officially joined the front office of the New Jersey Devils, becoming Senior Advisor to the President, Hockey Operations and General Manager.Aug 1, 2024
Devils fans are going to love him lol

 

[Flyerfan4life]

I’m still dying to see Fletcher get hired somewhere.

I need to watch him to do what he did to the Flyers to someone else. The only shitty part would be it won’t be the Flyers taking advantage of him because they’re just as stupid.

they will model after what Flutch would be doing..

 

[Striiker]

Former Philadelphia Flyers GM Chuck Fletcher has officially joined the front office of the New Jersey Devils, becoming Senior Advisor to the President, Hockey Operations and General Manager.Aug 1, 2024
Devils fans are going to love him lol

Advisor is not good enough. I want him as the GM somewhere.

 

[Hanover Fist]

Advisor is not good enough. I want him as the GM somewhere.

If Fitzgerald is taking his advice you won’t have to wait long for there to be an opening

 

[Cody Webster]

Ahhh I see we're back to the Risto will have teams lining up for him shtick again

 

[Hanover Fist]

No contender is likely to take on the contract without you taking one back and or eating half. You might as well keep him since he’s fixed.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Tbf his playoff credentials are spotless.

 

[deadhead]

What do you think 2nd pair D-men cost these days?
$4-5M for players on 3rd (UFA years) contracts.
The advantage of Risto is you have cost certainty for 2 years, but don't have to pay him beyond age 32.

Now he'll have to keep up his play, but so far this season he's been excellent.
xGF 55.49%, HDCF 53.42%.
And he's played as well paired with Sanheim on the 1st pair as with Zamula on the third pair.

 

[WolfOfBroadStreet14]

Tbf his playoff credentials are spotless.

Undefeated in playoffs idk how many other defensemen can boast that claim!

 

[blackjackmulligan]

It won't. If Risto keeps playing like he has since last season, teams will be lining up at the TDL and next summer to take on his 2x5 remaining term.

Chariot was traded for a 1st and 4th at the 2022 TDL, then signed to a 4/$19M contract at age 32, whereas Risto's deal ends at age 32.
Risto has clearly outplayed Chariot.
Physical RHDs garner a premium in both trades and in FA.

Never seen such devotion in a droid.

If he keeps ups his play why move him? That is great value. Risto is probably a late bloomer.

 

[BiggE]

What do you think 2nd pair D-men cost these days?
$4-5M for players on 3rd (UFA years) contracts.
The advantage of Risto is you have cost certainty for 2 years, but don't have to pay him beyond age 32.

Now he'll have to keep up his play, but so far this season he's been excellent.
xGF 55.49%, HDCF 53.42%.
And he's played as well paired with Sanheim on the 1st pair as with Zamula on the third pair.

 

[Beef Invictus]

What do you think 2nd pair D-men cost these days?
$4-5M for players on 3rd (UFA years) contracts.
The advantage of Risto is you have cost certainty for 2 years, but don't have to pay him beyond age 32.

Now he'll have to keep up his play, but so far this season he's been excellent.
xGF 55.49%, HDCF 53.42%.
And he's played as well paired with Sanheim on the 1st pair as with Zamula on the third pair.

He isn't a 2nd pair dman on any contending team. Unlike Ghost.

See, an ability to score is valued by the good teams. Unlike the Flyers, they do understand that you win by scoring goals.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Risto is a 7th defender on a contending team.

 

[deadhead]

Never seen such devotion in a droid.

If he keeps ups his play why move him? That is great value. Risto is probably a late bloomer.

Because he'll be 33 in 2027-28. If you can get value, you take it.
But if you're only offered a late 2nd or 3rd, meh.

The other vets, Seeler, Hathaway, Laughton should be moved once young replacements are on board.
But can you imagine Ginning replacing Seeler and being paired with Drysdale? Ugly.
Or Tuomaala/Gendron replacing Hathaway on the 4th line?

You don't want a team so bad the young players just go through the motions, waiting for the season to end. You want an orderly transfer of power - Revolutions eat their young.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Risto is a 7th defender on a contending team.

Nah he is easily a bottom pair on any contending team.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Because he'll be 33 in 2027-28. If you can get value, you take it.
But if you're only offered a late 2nd or 3rd, meh.

The other vets, Seeler, Hathaway, Laughton should be moved once young replacements are on board.
But can you imagine Ginning replacing Seeler and being paired with Drysdale? Ugly.
Or Tuomaala/Gendron replacing Hathaway on the 4th line?

You don't want a team so bad the young players just go through the motions, waiting for the season to end. You want an orderly transfer of power - Revolutions eat their young.

So if they were offered late 2nd or 3rd you decline the Risto trade?

Is it written somewhere that if you trade GH and Seller yo have to repalce them with "kids"? Can they not very easily get a short term vet (who maybe you flip later) on a 1 year deal. Call me crazy they seem to be available every summer no?

Once again goes back to the fact how bad this organization is that they have no one to replace Seeler or GH. That is a fn disgrace.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Wouldn't a Risto ext in 2 years be grand? Very possible seeing how the Flyers draft and develop defenseman.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1851757239448572367

Huh. A pick was not what I expected Toronto to target.