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Striiker said:
I’m still dying to see Fletcher get hired somewhere.

I need to watch him to do what he did to the Flyers to someone else. The only shitty part would be it won’t be the Flyers taking advantage of him because they’re just as stupid.
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Former Philadelphia Flyers GM Chuck Fletcher has officially joined the front office of the New Jersey Devils, becoming Senior Advisor to the President, Hockey Operations and General Manager.Aug 1, 2024
Devils fans are going to love him lol
 
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What do you think 2nd pair D-men cost these days?
$4-5M for players on 3rd (UFA years) contracts.
The advantage of Risto is you have cost certainty for 2 years, but don't have to pay him beyond age 32.

Now he'll have to keep up his play, but so far this season he's been excellent.
xGF 55.49%, HDCF 53.42%.
And he's played as well paired with Sanheim on the 1st pair as with Zamula on the third pair.
 
deadhead said:
What do you think 2nd pair D-men cost these days?
$4-5M for players on 3rd (UFA years) contracts.
The advantage of Risto is you have cost certainty for 2 years, but don't have to pay him beyond age 32.

Now he'll have to keep up his play, but so far this season he's been excellent.
xGF 55.49%, HDCF 53.42%.
And he's played as well paired with Sanheim on the 1st pair as with Zamula on the third pair.
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deadhead said:
What do you think 2nd pair D-men cost these days?
$4-5M for players on 3rd (UFA years) contracts.
The advantage of Risto is you have cost certainty for 2 years, but don't have to pay him beyond age 32.

Now he'll have to keep up his play, but so far this season he's been excellent.
xGF 55.49%, HDCF 53.42%.
And he's played as well paired with Sanheim on the 1st pair as with Zamula on the third pair.
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He isn't a 2nd pair dman on any contending team. Unlike Ghost.

See, an ability to score is valued by the good teams. Unlike the Flyers, they do understand that you win by scoring goals.
 
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blackjackmulligan said:
Never seen such devotion in a droid.

If he keeps ups his play why move him? That is great value. Risto is probably a late bloomer.
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Because he'll be 33 in 2027-28. If you can get value, you take it.
But if you're only offered a late 2nd or 3rd, meh.

The other vets, Seeler, Hathaway, Laughton should be moved once young replacements are on board.
But can you imagine Ginning replacing Seeler and being paired with Drysdale? Ugly.
Or Tuomaala/Gendron replacing Hathaway on the 4th line?

You don't want a team so bad the young players just go through the motions, waiting for the season to end. You want an orderly transfer of power - Revolutions eat their young.
 
Surprised San Jose gave up a 3rd (better of Col and Edm 3rd rd picks) and 6th.
Liljegren is a former #17 pick, but at 25 couldn't keep a starting job.
2x3, where Benning is a 2x1.25 left on his deal, so Toronto clears $1.75M off their cap this year and next year.
And they can clear another $1.25 by sending Benning to the AHL.
 
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Surprised San Jose gave up a 3rd (better of Col and Edm 3rd rd picks) and 6th.
Liljegren is a former #17 pick, but at 25 couldn't keep a starting job.
2x3, where Benning is a 2x1.25 left on his deal, so Toronto clears $1.75M off their cap this year and next year.
And they can clear another $1.25 by sending Benning to the AHL.
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A 3rd gets you a terrible rental Defenseman at the deadline. Liljegren is just fine, but still better than that. It's not a steal or anything, but it seems about right to me for a young guy who won't kill you. Especially considering they took Benning back, who is horrendous.

Also feels like it has upside for a return next year if they can turn him around.
 
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Watching the devils game and their broadcast, why in the hell does their broadcaster sound like eeore? Lol he sounds so depressed everytime he speaks, "yeah, dougie did a good job there" lmfao
 
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jFresh said he struggled with the ferocity of the forecheck in the playoffs, which is important for Toronto but basically irrelevant to a team like San Jose
 
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Liljegren is 25 and has been up and down, he's sort of a tweener, not real big, not special offensively, not great defensively. Off to an awful start this season, but had earned an increasing larger role the three previous seasons. Obviously, didn't fit what Berube wants.

A new start may help him, but given the forwards on Toronto, if a D-man can't score there they probably can't score anywhere. And he's not a defensive maven. So it's more of a depth move for San Jose, giving up a late 3rd rd pick.

San Jose is a funny team, obviously rebuilding, yet they've traded away their 5th and 6th this year, 3rd, 5th and 6th next season, and 3rd rd pick in 2027. Guess they don't value later round picks?
 
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San Jose is a funny team, obviously rebuilding, yet they've traded away their 5th and 6th this year, 3rd, 5th and 6th next season, and 3rd rd pick in 2027. Guess they don't value later round picks?
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Reasonable chance they'll be able to replenish those picks by the deadline. They have 8 pending UFAs on their roster (though I think at least one is an AHLer up to cover injuries) and I would be shocked if they don't trade a minimum of 2 of them before the end of the season, probably more. Granlund, Ceci, and one of Vanecek or Blackwood probably net them more than they've given up so far.
 
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