News Article: Mirtle: Maple Leafs Ownership Could Make Massive Changes if 'Really Disappointing First-Round Exit' Happens Again in the Playoffs

[The Hanging Jowl]

Only change they can make that would have ‘massive’ implications is changing the coach.
This seems like text book click bait.

The time to do it was last summer. They decided against it so we likely have the same disappointment come to us this year. And I don't even blame Keefe for the team's performance (entirely). Sometimes you just have to mix things up and changing the coach is by far the easiest shakeup you can make and it's worked for countless other teams.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

What I'm seeing is both pro and anti extend Marner fans both mostly believe well be out in round 1 or 2 this year.

What doesn't make sense is why you'd want to increase the teams cap structure problems if you already don't believe in them.

 

[ToneDog]

I don't care - I'm not going to spend all day trying to fear monger into a what if Marner walks scenario so let's stuff his wallet with more money. He was overpaid last round, he's going to be overpaid this round... I'll have him back but I won't have any of this bullshit about how he deserves more than Willie because of this and that minute difference so he can be at whatever feels good to him. I don't care how the finely that cake needs to be sliced and how much more status he may want compared to Willie. If you don't like it, feel free to find the money and location you prefer to be at.

It is hilarious given how many rounds they have won in 8 playoffs together. If anything these 3 after winning zilch while making millions, should have gotten together and agreed to take discounts their second go-around so the team could add a better supporting cast and not make themselves look like selfish, greedy players. Instead 2/3 to date, decided it was me time and took almost $6m in raise while the cap only rose $4m.

IMO you are never going to win with these 3 so I got no problem seeing one or two go. Hell Matty can GTFO if the team is punted in round 1.

 

[Stephen]

That’s how it works though, better player gets paid more.
For the Leafs
Matthews > Marner > Nylander.

Nylander was overpaid though

Marner had been overpaid for the entire length of his current deal and will be overpaid on his new contract. The dispute is over how much he wants to be overpaid and we’re now arguing whether he should be given the treatment of the favourite son kind of contract. Why are we even arguing that he deserves more than David Pastrnak? Nonsense compounding on nonsense.

 

[Stephen]

It is hilarious given how many rounds they have won in 8 playoffs together. If anything these 3 after winning zilch while making millions, should have gotten together and agreed to take discounts so the team could add a better supporting cast and not make themselves look like selfish babies. Instead 2/3 to date, decided it was me time and took almost $6m in raise while the cap only rose $4m.

David Pastrnak is a 60 goal scorer with 110 point seasons under his belt. He makes a lot of money and is well compensated in the game of hockey. Nylander is already overpaid by about a million to be at that vanity level but sure we gave him Pasta money as a reward for a job well done at the half way mark of the season. Fine. And now we have to pay Mitch a vanity premium on top of Willie because he can’t just be on par with Willie? If $11.5 million is an insult, maybe we just save the money for another UFA.

 

[rumman]

If it happens for a 9th straight year with the 3 amigos, many would consider it disappointing. This team was expected to make a deep run the year Dubas was handed the keys to the candy shop and can barely get out of the starting block before they trip and fall.

are players really elite if they only score during the regular season? Asking for a friend............

 

[notbias]

I don't care - I'm not going to spend all day trying to fear monger into a what if Marner walks scenario so let's stuff his wallet with more money. He was overpaid last round, he's going to be overpaid this round... I'll have him back but I won't have any of this bullshit about how he deserves more than Willie because of this and that minute difference so he can be at whatever feels good to him. I don't care how the finely that cake needs to be sliced and how much more status he may want compared to Willie. If you don't like it, feel free to find the money and location you prefer to be at.

Your first sentence is why Nylander is making 11.5... they overpaid him and he won't walk now.

He's a better player than Nylander, that is why he is worth more.

I just think it is weird to overpay the worse player and let the better one walk.

I'm not sure what the point you're trying to get across is, but even if Marner signed for the same CH% he is at 12.04, so he is likely going to be asking for at least 12.5+

I think it's a mistake to let him walk, I think cap space is very overrated and most GMs spend it poorly, I'd rather a top 5 winger.

I understand where you're coming from by the way, I just think once Nylander was signed to his contract, it set the market for Marner as that + a little bit.

 

[rumman]

I've done it both ways, I've cleaned house and I've waited to see who is part of the solution, I've been in business for 40ish years, I've seen some F-ed up situations. From my experience, its better to be patient and see who is part of the solution.

I think this fanbase has been more than patient with this core, they've been surrounded by numerous supporting casts, but the core need to get it done not the revolving door fringe players............

 

[Gary Nylund]

I think it's a mistake to let him walk, I think cap space is very overrated and most GMs spend it poorly, I'd rather a top 5 winger.

I understand where you're coming from by the way, I just think once Nylander was signed to his contract, it set the market for Marner as that + a little bit.

Hmm, yeah I dunno about that.

 

[ToneDog]

are players really elite if they only score during the regular season? Asking for a friend............

These guys are high horsepower sports cars. Fantastic to drive on a sunny day in summer but as soon as it snows, they spin their wheels, fishtail and end up in the ditch.

 

[notbias]

Marner had been overpaid for the entire length of his current deal and will be overpaid on his new contract. The dispute is over how much he wants to be overpaid and we’re now arguing whether he should be given the treatment of the favourite son kind of contract. Why are we even arguing that he deserves more than David Pastrnak? Nonsense compounding on nonsense.

If Pastrnak was signed this coming season when Marner can re-sign his contract is 11.94.

If Marner enters free agency and the cap is announced at the projected 92 then a comparable hit to Pastrnak's cap hit would be 12.55.

Just something to think about.

Hmm, yeah I dunno about that.

Mind pointing out some teams who rebuilt or made major moves by using cap space?

I think cap space is valuable, I just think it is rarely used on the right players and it is generally used to sign overpaid free agents.

 

[Dekes For Days]

I don’t care about historic differences.

GMs and agents negotiating contracts do.

Nylander has pulled relatively even with Marner.

While this has been a career year for Nylander (half of which isn't even reflected in his contract), Marner has still been better.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Mind pointing out some teams who rebuilt or made major moves by using cap space?

I think cap space is valuable, I just think it is rarely used on the right players and it is generally used to sign overpaid free agents.

Even if we were to use it to overpay free agents, not sure that would be any worse than overpaying the guys we already have who are proven playoff losers. Cap space can also be used in other ways, like keeping guys instead of losing them because we can't afford them.

I'm pretty sure Hyman could have been signed for 5 million, what if instead of Marner we had Hyman and 6 million in cap space to fix the D, are you sure we'd be worse off than we are now?

 

[Darcy Tucker]

What I'm seeing is both pro and anti extend Marner fans both mostly believe well be out in round 1 or 2 this year.

What doesn't make sense is why you'd want to increase the teams cap structure problems if you already don't believe in them.

Tavares is coming off the books soon. He is the reason the cap structure has been impactful. Marner has performed to expectations. Tavares has been mid milquetoast and even worse he's the captain and leader.

 

[rumman]

If they exit quickly, I let him walk. No ifs, ands, or buts.

completely agree, however losing Marner doesn't fix Styles being grossly overpaid, it's going to be a long eight years for that mistake to go away..............

 

[rumman]

I can't even imagine anything changing at this point. I feel like 20 years from now, we'll still be watching the big 4 getting dominated in round 1 game 7, just like groundhog day.

thankfully I don't have twenty years left to watch this gong show.............

 

[notbias]

Even if we were to use it to overpay free agents, not sure that would be any worse than overpaying the guys we already have who are proven playoff losers. Cap space can also be used in other ways, like keeping guys instead of losing them because we can't afford them.

I'm pretty sure Hyman could have been signed for 5 million, what if instead of Marner we had Hyman and 6 million in cap space to fix the D, are you sure we'd be worse off than we are now?

Hyman was a worse playoff performer here... so now we are removing our best point-producing player and adding a horrendous one.

 

[rumman]

These guys are high horsepower sports cars. Fantastic to drive on a sunny day in summer but as soon as it snows, they spin their wheels, fishtail and end up in the ditch.

Leafs could use some 4x4's and less sports cars, too bad you can't move any of the fancy sports cars. All these discussions are irrelevant, can't move any of the high priced under performers.........

 

[Darcy Tucker]

thankfully I don't have twenty years left to watch this gong show.............

Elon Musk will develop a bio chip that uses nano technology to repair human tissue cells and extend human life by 50 years. You'll be fine.

I might have to cut back my trips to the dispensary.

 

[hullsy47]

Your first sentence is why Nylander is making 11.5... they overpaid him and he won't walk now.

He's a better player than Nylander, that is why he is worth more.

I just think it is weird to overpay the worse player and let the better one walk.

I'm not sure what the point you're trying to get across is, but even if Marner signed for the same CH% he is at 12.04, so he is likely going to be asking for at least 12.5+

I think it's a mistake to let him walk, I think cap space is very overrated and most GMs spend it poorly, I'd rather a top 5 winger.

I understand where you're coming from by the way, I just think once Nylander was signed to his contract, it set the market for Marner as that + a little bit.

I think the fans just wanna win

completely agree, however losing Marner doesn't fix Styles being grossly overpaid, it's going to be a long eight years for that mistake to go away..............

Maybe but 100 point players make that now

 

[rumman]

Elon Musk will develop a bio chip that uses nano technology to repair human tissue cells and extend human life by 50 years. You'll be fine.

I might have to cut back my trips to the dispensary.

degenerative disc disease in my neck, two bad shoulders, six knee operations, I'd need to be Robocop to fix all that ails me and then some. And even if that could be done I'm not sure this world the way it's going is worth living in much longer. What's coming next will make the last 3 years look like a cake walk..........

I think the fans just wanna win


Maybe but 100 point players make that now

hasn't made it to 100 yet..........

 

[ToneDog]

degenerative disc disease in my neck, two bad shoulders, six knee operations, I'd need to be Robocop to fix all that ails me and then some. And even if that could be done I'm not sure this world the way it's going is worth living in much longer. What's coming next will make the last 3 years look like a cake walk..........


hasn't made it to 100 yet..........

He's been on an 82 point pace since he signed. Not sure what incentive there is for him to being a 100+ player. He might be our Alex Semin. LOL.

 

[rumman]

He's been on an 82 point pace since he signed. Not sure what incentive there is for him to being a 100+ player. He might be our Alex Semin. LOL.

Now he’s gotten paid I’m sure it’s irrelevant to him whether or not he makes it to 100 points……..

 

[notbias]

Now he’s gotten paid I’m sure it’s irrelevant to him whether or not he makes it to 100 points……..

I don't think people become top players in the league by not being competitive.

He looks frustrated to me out there, I am sure he still wants to hit it.

Having said that, I think his play at the start of the year was unsustainable, and I think he is playing poorly currently and this won't be the status quo either.

He is likely good for 90+ points a season moving forward, but probably not 100+ (may be an outlier or two).

 

[Racer88]

You realize the player signs the contract not the agent?
He did pretty good for his client when negotiating with Dubas.
Seems like a weird point you’re trying to make or how any of that makes him an ‘asshole”.

Every dam agent did well when negotiating with Dubas