Mirtle: End is near for Hyman in Toronto

[ToneDog]

Almost as comical as not being able to read apparently, nobody is arguing we keep him as I’m viewing it, it’s more losing him for NOTHING. Net negative.

He does leave behind his cap hit which is not Hyman but is something. Another example of this team going backwards as more and more players get thrown overboard due to being in cap hell thanks to a certain stick boy.

 

[DarkKnight]

Of course not.
It’s just worse for us because we have nobody like that, nobody ready to step in like that, another addition to the depth of Kadri/Brown/Kapanen/Johnson bled away and a suspect core that can’t afford to lose quality depth.

We are softer without Hyman, that sounds an add only gets us back to status quo. We need more, not less or the same.

 

[DavePoulin4PM]

would you rather they over pay him or traded him at the deadline?

What’s an overpay for a player with 35 goals in his last 82 regular season games?

 

[DarkKnight]

He does leave behind his cap hit which is not Hyman but is something. Another example of this team going backwards as more and more players get thrown overboard due to being in cap hell thanks to a certain stick boy.

Yes, but 2.25 isn’t going to get you a Hyman caliber. He’s worth 4 all day long, top six, PK, shutdown type, energy guy.

 

[egd27]

I looked at it a few weeks ago , I think we have around $65 mil tied up (if Kerfoot is picked up by Seattle) with about 7 players to sign, mostly bottom of the line up players, back up goalie, bottom 2 dmen...

20 or 23 man roster?

I'm using 14 - 7 - 2 as the requirement. I suppose it could be 21 or 22

 

[justashadowof]

And we only need to sign about 10 players with that money so yay us.

It's more specifically $16M to acquire a goalie, 2 defensemen and 5 forwards. Doesn't sound like it's going to be much of a shopping spree. Say one major addition is made, at $5M aav, that would leave $11M for 7 bodies.

 

[DarkKnight]

Here’s the kicker this year too, any line that wasn’t going the biggest suggestion I heard “move Hyman there”. That says a lot about how important he was to this team, yes we can’t afford him now. Also yes, we’re worse now.

 

[ToneDog]

Yes, but 2.25 isn’t going to get you a Hyman caliber. He’s worth 4 all day long, top six, PK, shutdown type, energy guy.

Agreed but you should be able to get two quality forwards for what Hyman commands or what your final offer for Hyman is. Toss 65 and 47 overboard and that should get you another quality UFA forward.

 

[notbias]

This season if we weren’t resigning him obviously. Why was this the all in year?

Why wouldn't we take a shot at this year? We were in a good position to make the semi-finals but came up short. It is really easy to make the right decisions in hindsight.

Hockey is such an unpredictable game, we had a good chance of going far this year, but you want the team to get rid of a top-6 winger because there is a better chance they don't? They may as well just trade all pending UFAs at the start of every year since they are unlikely to win the cup.

 

[Trapper]

He does leave behind his cap hit which is not Hyman but is something. Another example of this team going backwards as more and more players get thrown overboard due to being in cap hell thanks to a certain stick boy.

Yeah but it’s not like when we lose these guys we are getting 6 mil in cap space.
This team goes from penthouse salary to outhouse. Hyman was for better or worse in the top 6. Doubt you just get a guy there for cheaper than what he already made.

 

[DarkKnight]

Agreed but you should be able to get two quality forwards for what Hyman commands or what your final offer for Hyman is. Toss 65 and 47 overboard and that should get you another quality UFA forward.

Two quality guys for 2.25 seems optimistic but sure it’s possible. I just don’t like the optics of needing to hit a home run with that money just to get back to the even.

 

[sparxx87]

I think in Dubas' fantasy all of his short term moves would push the 2020-21 over the top or at least close to it. Then in this fantasy all sorts of players would be willing to take paycuts just for the opportunity to play with this great team. I think that fantasy died this playoffs.

The fantasy died when they signed an $11M forward to play on their second line, then followed with two more $11M for the first line.

Handsomely paid players at the top makes it really tough on the middle and lower class. This was always going to happen. Biggest problem is that they need 4-5 Hymans for their bottom 9 and they’re about to lose their only one.

Real tough player to replace, even if it makes better business sense to move on.

 

[aingefan]

Maybe Hometown discounts are a myth.
I love Hyman, and wish there was one on every Leaf line, but if he wants to max out money, that’s his choice and right.
Goodrow’s projected AAV sounds like it’s in the ‘21 Hyman range.
Good enough.

 

[notbias]

Here’s the kicker this year too, any line that wasn’t going the biggest suggestion I heard “move Hyman there”. That says a lot about how important he was to this team, yes we can’t afford him now. Also yes, we’re worse now.

If only we thought to move him to the top line in the first round, we needed Matthews (5P) and Marner (4P) to get going, and Hyman (1P) was the answer.

We will be fine without Hyman. I think he is a loss at anything under 4 and short-term, but if he wants well above 4 he isn't worth it.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Leaves another hole, and too many Leaf players walk for nothing, but I wouldn't want to pay him what I think he may get on the open market

 

[Mats13]

Cap hell is cap hell ..

Zach Hyman just going to end up being another casualty of spending 1/2 your cap on 4 forwards.

Hyman is my favourite Leaf because I love his compete and him leaving only weakens the current team even more.

The Leafs really need more players like him and not less.

How often do Hyman like players age well?

We could have 50M in cap space and we still shouldn’t sign him.

 

[Rare Jewel]

If he wants what's being rumored then it's not likely doable. However depending on how flexible he might be and possible changes in the cap allocation, then perhaps it's still possible he could be retained.

It's is interesting though that after a playoff where character and compete have been debated that they may let the player who best exemplifies those traits go.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Maybe Hometown discounts are a myth.

In Toronto they are. Marleau was a great influence in that regard

 

[DarkKnight]

Why wouldn't we take a shot at this year? We were in a good position to make the semi-finals but came up short. It is really easy to make the right decisions in hindsight.

Hockey is such an unpredictable game, we had a good chance of going far this year, but you want the team to get rid of a top-6 winger because there is a better chance they don't? They may as well just trade all pending UFAs at the start of every year since they are unlikely to win the cup.

One thing too about hockey, you keep letting guys walk for nothing, you’re on a downward swing.

 

[Bomber0104]

Why wouldn't we take a shot at this year? We were in a good position to make the semi-finals but came up short. It is really easy to make the right decisions in hindsight.

Hockey is such an unpredictable game, we had a good chance of going far this year, but you want the team to get rid of a top-6 winger because there is a better chance they don't? They may as well just trade all pending UFAs at the start of every year since they are unlikely to win the cup.

How in the hell did they "come up short" of the semi's when they didn't even win a round?

 

[Trapper]

The fantasy died when they signed an $11M forward to play on their second line, then followed with two more $11M for the first line.

Handsomely paid players at the top makes it really tough on the middle and lower class. This was always going to happen. Biggest problem is that they need 4-5 Hymans for their bottom 9 and they’re about to lose their only one.

Real tough player to replace, even if it makes better business sense to move on.

Pretty much.
You look at Pittsburgh with Crosby/Malkin. They make the cash. 2 players.
Then they could have two 6 million Geuntzel/Kessel and fill out depth.

 

[Duffman955]

With the flat cap, you can find quality players for 1-1.5 mil

Look at Duclair type players

 

[notbias]

One thing too about hockey, you keep letting guys walk for nothing, you’re on a downward swing.

This makes no sense. You can also sign guys for nothing too..
Cap space is what you get when guys walk, you can use that.
Unless you're rebuilding, letting players be used as own rentals is not horrible.

 

[shortfuze]

What’s an overpay for a player with 35 goals in his last 82 regular season games?

well seeing as how he supposedly turned down 5 million a year, has had knee problems and guys that play the way he does don't age well, anything more than 5 million and more than 4 years is an overpayment. sounds like he is asking for more on cap and length. also, could he have 35 goals on a less offensive team?

 

[Rare Jewel]

How often do Hyman like players age well?

We could have 50M in cap space and we still shouldn’t sign him.

I mean they just spent a 1st on Foligno who's similar.