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That's my point; good hockey, not mediocre hockey.

What would your “bell curve of mediocrity” look like for the last decade?

I mean, from the 2009-10 season through the 2018-19 season, the Wild were 14th in wins, 14th in points percentage, we made the playoffs 6 times vs missed 4 times, never picked above 7, never below 24, 17th in playoff games played, 17th in playoff GF, 15th in playoff GA. Our most non-mediocre stat that I can find is that we're 30th in playoff win percentage.

How is that anything but mediocre?
 
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What would your “bell curve of mediocrity” look like for the last decade?

A team that didn't have 6 years of playoffs consecutively, for one. Secondly, would you consider the St. Louis Blues mediocre in the 2000s? Or the Bruins or the Canadiens? I'd consider a team like the Flames mediocre. I'd consider the Jets mediocre. I'd consider the Blue Jackets as mediocre. I'd consider the Avs as mediocre. They aren't the Panthers or Sabres or Oilers bad.

Best teams: Penguins, Capitals, Bruins, Blackhawks, Kings

Good teams: Wild, Lightning, Sharks, Predators, Blues, Ducks, Rangers, Canadiens, Stars, Flyers, Vegas

Average/Mediocre Teams: Canucks, Flames, Jets, Red Wings, Blue Jackets, Islanders, Avalanche, Devils, Senators, Maple Leafs

Bad Teams: Coyotes, Hurricanes, Panthers, Sabres, Oilers
 

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A team that didn't have 6 years of playoffs consecutively, for one. Secondly, would you consider the St. Louis Blues mediocre in the 2000s? Or the Bruins or the Canadiens? I'd consider a team like the Flames mediocre or the Flyers. They had ONE award winner (Bill Masterton Memorial Trophy) and one Cup Performance. I'd consider the Jets mediocre. I'd consider the Blue Jackets as mediocre. I'd consider the Avs as mediocre. They aren't the Panthers or Sabres or Oilers bad.

I want to see you list all 31 teams with 1 being the highest class of winning culture, and 31 being the lowest. Maybe this exercise will help you realize.
 

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I want to see you list all 31 teams with 1 being the highest class of winning culture, and 31 being the lowest. Maybe this exercise will help you realize.

Best teams: Penguins, Capitals, Bruins, Blackhawks, Kings

Good teams: Wild, Lightning, Sharks, Predators, Blues, Ducks, Rangers, Canadiens, Stars, Flyers, Vegas

Average/Mediocre Teams: Canucks, Flames, Jets, Red Wings, Blue Jackets, Islanders, Avalanche, Devils, Senators, Maple Leafs

Bad Teams: Coyotes, Hurricanes, Panthers, Sabres, Oilers
 

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Best teams: Penguins, Capitals, Bruins, Blackhawks, Kings

Good teams: Wild, Lightning, Sharks, Predators, Blues, Ducks, Rangers, Canadiens, Stars, Flyers, Vegas

Average/Mediocre Teams: Canucks, Flames, Jets, Red Wings, Blue Jackets, Islanders, Avalanche, Devils, Senators, Maple Leafs

Bad Teams: Coyotes, Hurricanes, Panthers, Sabres, Oilers

I want to see you list all teams from 1-31, in order.

Also, address this:

I mean, from the 2009-10 season through the 2018-19 season, the Wild were 14th in wins, 14th in points percentage, we made the playoffs 6 times vs missed 4 times, never picked above 7, never below 24, 17th in playoff games played, 17th in playoff GF, 15th in playoff GA. Our most non-mediocre stat that I can find is that we're 30th in playoff win percentage.
 

thestonedkoala

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I want to see you list all teams from 1-31, in order.

Elite Teams (won Stanley Cup)
1. Blackhawks
2. Penguins
3. Kings
4. Bruins
5. Capitals
6. Blues
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Great Teams (went to the Finals/ and/or high win percentage)
7. Lightning
8. Sharks
9. Predators
10. Rangers
11. Flyers
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Good Teams (multiple trips to the playoffs, may have seen some success in the playoffs, decade winning percentage over .500)
12. Ducks
13. Wild
14. Canadiens
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Mediocre Teams (has one or two good things in the decade, but bad win percentage (.500 or lower for three or more seasons))
15. Canucks
16. Red Wings
17. Devils
18. Stars (only made the playoffs 3 times in the decade, hovered around .500 the entire decade)
19. Flames
20. Senators
21. Jets (see the Stars)
22. Blue Jackets
23. Islanders
24. Avalanche
25. Maple Leafs
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Terrible Teams (do we really need to explain this one?)
26. Hurricanes
27. Sabres
28. Coyotes
29. Oilers
30. Panthers

I really can't say how Vegas is.
 
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It's kind of depressing, but I think we are playing about as well as they can. Dumba could be playing better, but Brodin and Soucy have exceeded expectations. Suter, Spurgeon, and Hunt have all been about as good as you can expect.

Staal, Koivu, Parise, Zuccarello, Zucker, Hartman, Dubnyk, Stalock, Foligno....they are playing at about the level you'd expect (injuries aside, and anyway, injuries are normal).

I don't see Kunin having any great upside, nor JEE. Like them both, especially JEE, but...I would be thrilled if they could be 2nd liners. I just don't see the ability to command the game when the puck is on their sticks.

Fiala and Greenway are about the only guys I see that have significant upside. I think Greenway needs at least one more summer of training to get better control of his body. He loses his balance, and pucks, way too much, but when all his parts are working right he can be a force. Fiala needs to be more consistent, and understand when not to do a high risk play. If he can do that, hopefully he will earn prime offensive TOI, get more efficient, and actually produce points commensurate with his skill level(60 pts.?).

Rask is a throwaway. Donato is a tad better.

No one in Iowa is coming to save us...maybe Khakonen can provide slightly better goaltending? I didn't see brilliance from him.

Ugh.
 

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Koivu and Dubnyk aren’t playing anywhere close to the level of expectations. Especially Dubnyk.
I’m not sure. Dubnyk I agree with. I don’t think he’s a good goalie but he can at least play at a .900 save percentage. Koivu I think is giving us about what I expected for a 37 year old coming off knee surgery. 30 point pace, still defensively solid. That’s why I’m not a big proponent of bringing him back as 2C next year because we essentially don’t have anyone to play there. Don’t do it, he really isn’t a 2C anymore.
 

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One young player I’m interested in, whose come up before on these boards, is Filip Chytil. I doubt NYR is looking to move him now, but if they somehow luck into Byfield, Stutzle, etc. I think he could be had. He was a few days from being 2018 draft eligible, but went in 2017. He played very well in the AHL while turning 18 in training camp and playing that whole season as an 18yo. He’s just 20 years old this year and on pace for 20 goals (though only 26 points). I believe he’s still a C in NY, and that’s what’s interesting to me. Just looking at his stats, he should turn into a 30 goal center and my guess is the points overall will come. I can’t say I’ve watched him so anyone who is farmiliar with him can chime in.
 

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Yeah, I don't think it's reasonable to expect much out of Koivu at his age and injury status. I would bring him back on a modest one or two year deal, as he still could play in out top 9. Until JEE starts to give us some offense, he has no business being a #2C.
 
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Yeah, I don't think it's reasonable to expect much out of Koivu at his age and injury status. I would bring him back on a modest one or two year deal, as he still could play in out top 9. Until JEE starts to give us some offense, he has no business being a #2C.

He's a better even strength producer than Koivu by quite a bit while playing roughly the same EVTOI/g

Koivu has 7 PPP this season and Ek has 0. Koivu is averaging over 2.5 minutes of PPTOI/g and Ek has 4 seconds/game.

I mean, at this point Ek is more deserving of the 2C spot than Koivu.
 
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One young player I’m interested in, whose come up before on these boards, is Filip Chytil. I doubt NYR is looking to move him now, but if they somehow luck into Byfield, Stutzle, etc. I think he could be had. He was a few days from being 2018 draft eligible, but went in 2017. He played very well in the AHL while turning 18 in training camp and playing that whole season as an 18yo. He’s just 20 years old this year and on pace for 20 goals (though only 26 points). I believe he’s still a C in NY, and that’s what’s interesting to me. Just looking at his stats, he should turn into a 30 goal center and my guess is the points overall will come. I can’t say I’ve watched him so anyone who is farmiliar with him can chime in.
I have been on the Chytil train for a while. Rangers LD is complete trash, so they would make a good trade partner.
 

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What would your “bell curve of mediocrity” look like for the last decade?

I mean, from the 2009-10 season through the 2018-19 season, the Wild were 14th in wins, 14th in points percentage, we made the playoffs 6 times vs missed 4 times, never picked above 7, never below 24, 17th in playoff games played, 17th in playoff GF, 15th in playoff GA. Our most non-mediocre stat that I can find is that we're 30th in playoff win percentage.

How is that anything but mediocre?
If someone came to me asking how shall I define mediocrity. I would just say Minnesota Wild and he gets it.
 

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We have two players in the top 120 in scoring, Staal and Suter. With those two being the age they are, I wouldn't exactly say that the future is looking bright in terms of offense. Our best new offensive hope, Fiala, will be lucky to get 50 pts. this year.

Same old, same old.
 

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I have been on the Chytil train for a while. Rangers LD is complete trash, so they would make a good trade partner.

You know what else is complete trash for the Rangers? Their centers. Don't see them trading Chytil.

They have some respectful defensemen on the left side coming up: Matthew Robertson, Zachary Jones, K'Andre Miller, Yegor Rykov, Ryan Lindgren...
 

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We have two players in the top 120 in scoring, Staal and Suter. With those two being the age they are, I wouldn't exactly say that the future is looking bright in terms of offense. Our best new offensive hope, Fiala, will be lucky to get 50 pts. this year.

Same old, same old.
Counterpoint: the team has the 2nd most goals since 11/1/2019 (7th most overall)

Some counter-counterpoints:
- Since 11/1/2019, the Wild are 26th in xGF and have the highest shooting percentage in the league. So they're not necessarily "generating offense," but they're capitalizing a ton. I think the "eye test" bears that out.
- This is also reflected in the team's PDO, which is the 3rd highest in the league despite our goaltending.

So they've actually scored a lot, but there are some red flags in terms of sustainability. That said, I'd be interested to see if part of what's driving the high team shooting percentage is the overall forward depth and the fact that we're consistently getting goals from all 4 lines. I doubt Staal and Zucker are going to keep shooting at 20%, but when the "bottom" of the lineup has guys like Hunt, Soucy, Foligno, Rask and Hartman you can maybe get away with less production from the 1st line.

It'd be great if we could upgrade the goaltending, because while I'm skeptical that a team like this can get very far in the playoffs I am curious to see what'd actually happen.

Long term we do need more "punch" though.
 

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We have two players in the top 120 in scoring, Staal and Suter. With those two being the age they are, I wouldn't exactly say that the future is looking bright in terms of offense. Our best new offensive hope, Fiala, will be lucky to get 50 pts. this year.

Same old, same old.

He's on pace for 50 right now. Not sure why he'd have to be "lucky" to get there.
 

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If we had even a decent PP those totals would be a lot higher as well. I feel like they need to go back to square 1 with it or just completely change it. Lets go back to 5 lefties!
 

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I think Suter is a lot more hurt than they're letting on....yeah he'll fight through it. But it's gonna be a battle the rest of the way dealing with that injury from a couple years ago.
 
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