Minnesota Wild General Discussion X

[Bazeek]

We are 1 point away from 25th (7OA). The team’s shooting percentage was never going to hold. It’s not too late to tank

It really is shooting percentage vs save percentage with this team. If the former regresses without the latter "progressing"... make sure the liquor cabinet is well stocked.

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

It really is shooting percentage vs save percentage with this team. If the former regresses without the latter "progressing"... make sure the liquor cabinet is well stocked.

It will be interesting to watch because our shooting % and overall offensive prowess is sure to regress, and likely a fair amount (a good estimate would probably be to about league average), but there is also little chance our goaltending doesn’t also improve marginally just based on the limited number of high danger chances we give up. It’s hard to estimate what that result would produce, we’re getting better, and worse. However, if we expect to be a playoff team, we have to perform much, much better in the 2nd half. If you look at the 8 seed through exactly 41 games, they are pacing at an estimated 94 points, meaning that will likely be a good number to put as the playoff vs non-playoff cutoff. We paced at 86 points through the 1st half, so we have 51 points to make up, meaning we need a points percentage of about: .622% through the 2nd half, which, historically, is an elite number.

 

[Bazeek]

It will be interesting to watch because our shooting % and overall offensive prowess is sure to regress, and likely a fair amount (a good estimate would probably be to about league average), but there is also little chance our goaltending doesn’t also improve marginally just based on the limited number of high danger chances we give up. It’s hard to estimate what that result would produce, we’re getting better, and worse. However, if we expect to be a playoff team, we have to perform much, much better in the 2nd half. If you look at the 8 seed through exactly 41 games, they are pacing at an estimated 94 points, meaning that will likely be a good number to put as the playoff vs non-playoff cutoff. We paced at 86 points through the 1st half, so we have 51 points to make up, meaning we need a points percentage of about: .622% through the 2nd half, which, historically, is an elite number.

The x-factor statistically is that the first few weeks weren't indicative of what this team is. That's probably true of most teams, but the Wild really got off to an historically awful start. That plus the weird road-heavy schedule makes it hard to predict the second half from the first half.

From the "eye test" side this feels like a team that can shut down most teams and counterattack well enough to win... when everything clicks. But when one ingredient is missing it falls apart pretty quickly, and unfortunately one of the key ingredients is luck.

I like where the team is going and I wouldn't put a ceiling on what the current roster is capable of... but I really don't have much faith in it.

 

[57special]

One thing that can't be emphasized enough is how much our team defense lost when we traded Coyle, Nino, and Granlund with Fiala, Rask, and Donato. Fiala is the only one of the three who can win a puck battle, and he makes foolish giveaways.

That matters to the overall defensive play.

Won't argue that the goaltending is sub par. I think the D is good, at least relative to other years.

 

[Mickey the mouse]

Seeler sent to Iowa for conditioning.

Does anyone know the League rule on this ?

 

[Bazeek]

 

[fentonsbrainchild]

I’m gonna like the FEEK line

 

[Wild11MN]

Seeler sent to Iowa for conditioning.

Does anyone know the League rule on this ?

This is the rule. As long as the player agrees and it's not to get around waivers, it seems to be legal to do it with a player whenever.

13.8 Conditioning Loan.
Unless a Player consents, he shall not be Loaned on a Conditioning Loan to a minor league club. Such Conditioning Loan shall not extend for more than fourteen (14) consecutive days. The Commissioner may take whatever steps he deems necessary to investigate the circumstances under which a Player is Loaned on a Conditioning Loan. If the Commissioner has reason to believe or determines that the Club has used the Conditioning Loan to evade Waivers, or otherwise Circumvent any provision of this Agreement, he may take such disciplinary action against the Club, as he deems appropriate. The Player shall continue, during the period of such Conditioning Loan, to receive the same Paragraph 1 NHL Salary, and be entitled to the same benefits, that he would have received had he continued to play with the Club

 

[Mickey the mouse]

This is the rule. As long as the player agrees and it's not to get around waivers, it seems to be legal to do it with a player whenever.

Thank you

 

[AKL]

Someone from The Athletic wrote an article that was published today listing us as the most mediocre team of the decade.

It would be funnier if it wasn’t completely true.

 

[thestonedkoala]

Someone from The Athletic wrote an article that was published today listing us as the most mediocre team of the decade.

It would be funnier if it wasn’t completely true.

Who wrote it? Also what do they use a barometer for mediocre?

 

[AKL]

Who wrote it? Also what do they use a barometer for mediocre?

Here’s the except about us:

1. Minnesota Wild: It feels like it couldn’t be anyone else, right? The Wild finished the decade with three more wins than losses. They made the playoffs more often than not (six times), but when they got there they only won 15 playoff games and never made it out of the second round. They finished with 80-something points five times but never worse than that, never were bad enough to pick in the top five, and never had anyone win a Hart, Norris, Calder, Jack Adams or Vezina, and are the only team other than the Knights who’ve never had a Hall-of-Famer.

 

[Webster]

Greenway with Staal & Lizard...just as I ordered

He has some chemistry with them, and he's more like Zucker...a big physical guy who can make some room.

 

[Uberdachen]

It would have been accurate if they had numbered it so it ended at 2.

 

[thestonedkoala]

Here’s the except about us:

First off from what I can tell, the Wild had 6 more wins than losses.

Secondly, who cares if they had a Hall of Famer or not? Suter may go down as a Hall of Famer, Staal more than likely. Columbus, Winnipeg (?), Arizona, haven't had any successes with having one. Also, why is it coming up in a decade article? When did Columbus last have a Hall of Famer? Back in ? When they had Fedorov? Nashville and who? Peter Forsberg?

Third, Dallas is more mediocre than us. Exactly .500. Never made it out of the 2nd round either and have alternated between good and bad each year.

Fourth, the media's bias against Minnesota is showing.

 

[AKL]

First off from what I can tell, the Wild had 6 more wins than losses.

Secondly, who cares if they had a Hall of Famer or not? Suter may go down as a Hall of Famer, Staal more than likely. Columbus, Winnipeg (?), Arizona, haven't had any successes with having one. Also, why is it coming up in a decade article? When did Columbus last have a Hall of Famer? Back in ? When they had Fedorov? Nashville and who? Peter Forsberg?

Third, Dallas is more mediocre than us. Exactly .500. Never made it out of the 2nd round either and have alternated between good and bad each year.

Fourth, the media's bias against Minnesota is showing.

I think more than anything your sensitivity and bias are showing right now.

If mediocre isn’t a word you can use to describe this organization then I don’t know what is.

 

[thestonedkoala]

I think more than anything your sensitivity and bias are showing right now.

If you think I am biased, then you haven't been following the boards for very long.

If mediocre isn’t a word you can use to describe this organization then I don’t know what is.

Yeah, because Buffalo/Dallas/Philadelphia/Montreal have been far better than us or far worse than Edmonton/Florida/Arizona. What has Dallas done with Jamie Benn? Or Buffalo with Jack Eichel and Rasmus Dahlin? It's lazy writing, because Minnesota is the easiest target to pick. In a medium to small media market nationally. Play a bland sort of hockey. In a very bland state.

 

[BuiumSaveUs]

Someone from The Athletic wrote an article that was published today listing us as the most mediocre team of the decade.

It would be funnier if it wasn’t completely true.

Link

 

[AKL]

If you think I am biased, then you haven't been following the boards for very long.



Yeah, because Buffalo/Dallas/Philadelphia/Montreal have been far better than us or far worse than Edmonton/Florida/Arizona. What has Dallas done with Jamie Benn? Or Buffalo with Jack Eichel and Rasmus Dahlin? It's lazy writing, because Minnesota is the easiest target to pick. In a medium to small media market nationally. Play a bland sort of hockey. In a very bland state.

I think you might be conflating “mediocre” with “bad” and that’s what’s confusing you about it.

Link

DGB Grab Bag: Who were the NHL's 5 most mediocre teams of...

 

[2Pair]

Link

It's McIndoe

 

[thestonedkoala]

I think you might be conflating “mediocre” with “bad” and that’s what’s confusing you about it.

No I am not. Those teams aren't bad, but aren't good. Mediocre.

 

[AKL]

No I am not. Those teams aren't bad, but aren't good. Mediocre.

Yes some of them are mediocre. The Wild are also mediocre.

 

[57special]

I like the idea of Greenway with Staal and Liz, just didn't want to break up the Geek's. Jordan can do a lot of the heavy lifting along the boards, and has decent vision. He can get it to Liz, who will set up Staal, who should be the shooter on that line. If Greenway happens to get a few rebounds by crashing the crease, then all the better. Zuccarello doesn't need to be in there getting hammered by guys who are far bigger. He needs to be the guy who picks up the puck after Greenway shakes it lose, and does something with it.

 

[Wabit]

Yeah, because Buffalo/Dallas/Philadelphia/Montreal have been far better than us or far worse than Edmonton/Florida/Arizona. What has Dallas done with Jamie Benn? Or Buffalo with Jack Eichel and Rasmus Dahlin? It's lazy writing, because Minnesota is the easiest target to pick. In a medium to small media market nationally. Play a bland sort of hockey. In a very bland state.

At least the Wild "win" at being mediocre.

This is a team that has hovered around the fringe of the Playoffs for a lot of the last decade. When they did make the Playoffs they didn't accomplish much of note. They never finished 1st in the Division but lots of 3-5 finishes. They were a good but not great team. Nothing wrong with any of this, it was a decade of mostly good hockey for the fans to watch.

 

[thestonedkoala]

Nothing wrong with any of this, it was a decade of mostly good hockey for the fans to watch.

That's my point; good hockey, not mediocre hockey.