Minnesota Wild General Discussion - 2023-24

[Wabit]

JEE, Rossi, Foligno, Boldy all can be effective away from Kaprizov. Even Mojo, occasionally. And none are as bad as Zucc defensively nor do any of them commit as many turnovers

Yet the stats say they aren't. None of them were good without Kap last year.
-JEE at least has a couple years of being good without Kap on the GREEF line.
-Boldy needs to ride the coat tails of a better FWD (Kap/Fiala) to be effective. Even then he's streaky as hell.
-For every Zucc bash on here teh same thing could be said about Rossi, and the stats back it up.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

You cannot play Zucc with puck possession, cycle, or grinder style players. He just doesn’t play that game and kills the play for those that do. He’s quick hit offense, like Zucker back in the day. He would probably work well with a youngster that likes to shoot, like Beckman, in the bottom 6. Maybe Khusnutdinov could be the center for them. I’m not fully confident what style of play he has in the NHL yet.

 

[Wabit]

You cannot play Zucc with puck possession, cycle, or grinder style players. He just doesn’t play that game and kills the play for those that do. He’s quick hit offense, like Zucker back in the day. He would probably work well with a youngster that likes to shoot, like Beckman, in the bottom 6. Maybe Khusnutdinov could be the center for them. I’m not fully confident what style of play he has in the NHL yet.

Rossi can't play that style either with any success.

All I saw with Marat K is a less good at everything Dewar. It's a small sample, but I don't think he belongs in the NHL anymore than Beckman or Walker do.

 

[Obvious Fabertism]

Yet the stats say they aren't. None of them were good without Kap last year.
-JEE at least has a couple years of being good without Kap on the GREEF line.
-Boldy needs to ride the coat tails of a better FWD (Kap/Fiala) to be effective. Even then he's streaky as hell.
-For every Zucc bash on here teh same thing could be said about Rossi, and the stats back it up.

Boldy just finished his 22 year old season, it’s way too early to put a limit on him. Is Leon Draisaitl a passenger in your mind? They have nearly identical stats by age except Boldy has been a much more positive player at even strength. It took Draisaitl until he was 25 to break out of the negatives and he had 3 first overall picks to play with during that time.

 

[Sweetnut]

I would put Johansson on the second line bc his skating and zone entries.
Zuke on the fourth with Freddy and Foligno, cut down his TOI and let him play PP1

 

[NHL1674]

Zucc?

Put playmaker Zucc with linemates who can finish, and you know what happens. No problems when he plays with Kaprizov, and in the World Championship Zucc also played great with MBN, who's a true sniper.

Rossi and Johansson couldn't finish Zucc's feeds, and that's why Guerin may hit the market and look for a top 6 guy who can.

He DOES have problems when playing 5 on 5 with Kaprizov. They were still decent on the PP together, but were dead in the f#@%ing water last year together even strength.

Kap picked up the pace when relocated to a line with JEE and Boldy.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

Rossi can't play that style either with any success.

All I saw with Marat K is a less good at everything Dewar. It's a small sample, but I don't think he belongs in the NHL anymore than Beckman or Walker do.

I disagree.

Dewar sucks, so I sure hope Khusnutdinov can be better than him.

 

[Wabit]

I disagree.

Dewar sucks, so I sure hope Khusnutdinov can be better than him.

I don't think Dewar was anything more than a fringe (12/13 FWD) NHLer, but he was better at everything than Marat K was last year in MN.

Can Marat K be better than Dewar? Sure. Is he currently better than Dewar? Not imo.

Like I said, it as a small sample size for Marat K, and he'll need an adjustment period to the NHL. If Marat K plays like he did last year then he doesn't belong in the NHL any more than Beckman, PEtan, Walker, and the L's do.

 

[Webster]

I want to see what FA winger they sign first. Going to use Perron as a placeholder for now.

Kaprizov-Rossi-Boldy
Perron/Zuccarello-Ek-Hartman
Ohgren-Khusnutdinov-Foligno/Zuccarello/Perron
Johansson-Gaudreau-Foligno/Zuccarello

I don't see how Zuccarello of last year gets regular top six time on this team if they add a guy like Perron. Maybe he rebounds a little? He's also not really a bottom six style player. Not seeing the vision with the contract extension yet. I'll keep looking.

I'll help you there, so you don't have to keep looking.

- He leads the team in assists, half of them at even strength.
- Loved by teammates and coaches
- A spark in the locker room
- Helps out the kids (who, unlike you, respect him a lot)
- His close friendship with Kaprizov. The way he took Kaprizov under his wings and helped him into this league (daily life stuff) was something Guerin really appreciated.

Expect him to continue playing on the 2nd line, or on the top line now and then depending on Boldy's performance.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Yet the stats say they aren't. None of them were good without Kap last year.
-JEE at least has a couple years of being good without Kap on the GREEF line.
-Boldy needs to ride the coat tails of a better FWD (Kap/Fiala) to be effective. Even then he's streaky as hell.
-For every Zucc bash on here teh same thing could be said about Rossi, and the stats back it up.

A veteran has different expectations than a rookie does. Or should.

I'll help you there, so you don't have to keep looking.

- He leads the team in assists, half of them at even strength.
- Loved by teammates and coaches
- A spark in the locker room
- Helps out the kids (who, unlike you, respect him a lot)
- His close friendship with Kaprizov. The way he took Kaprizov under his wings and helped him into this league (daily life stuff) was something Guerin really appreciated.

Expect him to continue playing on the 2nd line, or on the top line now and then depending on Boldy's performance.

23 isn't half of 51.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

I don't think Dewar was anything more than a fringe (12/13 FWD) NHLer, but he was better at everything than Marat K was last year in MN.

Can Marat K be better than Dewar? Sure. Is he currently better than Dewar? Not imo.

Like I said, it as a small sample size for Marat K, and he'll need an adjustment period to the NHL. If Marat K plays like he did last year then he doesn't belong in the NHL any more than Beckman, PEtan, Walker, and the L's do.

I disagreed with your Rossi statement.

I agree that Khusnutdinov needs to show more. I don’t think he’s as bad as Dewar is though.

 

[MNRube]

I'd like to give Rossi people to play with, even if it handicaps Kaprizov a bit, and especially since an upcoming decision on him is going to be made:

Kaprizov - Ek - Zuccarello
Boldy - Rossi - Hartman

Fair

Yet the stats say they aren't. None of them were good without Kap last year.
-JEE at least has a couple years of being good without Kap on the GREEF line.
-Boldy needs to ride the coat tails of a better FWD (Kap/Fiala) to be effective. Even then he's streaky as hell.
-For every Zucc bash on here teh same thing could be said about Rossi, and the stats back it up.

JEE & Boldy are on another level. Boldy just dominated the Worlds without Kap. JEE is a two-way force and has been for years. He was GREEF - Foligno & Greenway were the benefactors but never the engine.

Rossi was just a rookie and plays C. He is trending upwards while Zucc is pushing 40 and plays zero defense. The Zucc hate is justified. His lack of versatility and production away from 97 handicaps our ability to ice the best possible lineup. Kaprizov plays reckless pond hockey when he is with Zucc. Sure they score, but they also give up a ton of chances and have become predictable with the cross ice passing. That ship has sailed.

Our lineup is already small and soft enough and if we have to change that, you don’t prioritize the old winger over the young C.

 

[DigitalBoldy]

So who are the trade targets this summer? Konecny, Necas, Zegras, ?

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

So who are the trade targets this summer? Konecny, Necas, Zegras, ?

Only the first 2 for me.

Can maybe add Theodore (if Vegas wants to make space) and/or Chychryn.

Konecny is tops on my list still.

 

[MNRube]

Konecny is tops on my list still.

Yurov ++ is probably what Philly asks for. I’d definitely consider it but the price would really sting

 

[DigitalBoldy]

Yurov ++ is probably what Philly asks for. I’d definitely consider it but the price would really sting

Ooof, I couldn’t stomach that.

 

[57special]

I don't see Guerin adding anyone of note this year due to NMC's and lack of cap space. 25-26 will be a different story.

 

[Wabit]

I disagreed with your Rossi statement.

I agree that Khusnutdinov needs to show more. I don’t think he’s as bad as Dewar is though.

Okay when has Rossi shown any type of grinder, possession success? He doesn't PK, played mostly with skill players, and got heavy o-zone starts.

He's willing to go to the dirty areas at least.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

$88M cap.

~$6.2M cap space. $5.1M - $5.3M after Chisholm.

 

[Wabit]

$88M cap.

~$6.2M cap space. $5.1M - $5.3M after Chisholm.

Probably need to add in a ~$1m cushion for bonuses.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Probably need to add in a ~$1m cushion for bonuses.

I'm guessing they'll want to leave ~$1M in space for non-LTIR injury callups which will double serve that purpose. But yes, same thing. I don't expect them to run right up against it.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Yurov ++ is probably what Philly asks for. I’d definitely consider it but the price would really sting

I'm not to the Yurov price yet.

#13 + prospect (not Yurov, Wallstedt or Ohgren) if it happens at the draft, Konecny not extended.

Rossi + 2025 1st if it happens later, Konecny extended ($9.5M or less)

Might be that neither get anything done, but who knows.

 

[MNRube]

I'm not to the Yurov price yet.

#13 + prospect (not Yurov, Wallstedt or Ohgren) if it happens at the draft, Konecny not extended.

Rossi + 2025 1st if it happens later, Konecny extended ($9.5M or less)

Might be that neither get anything done, but who knows.

His stats are even better than I realized. Pretty much back to back years close to PPG and that’s on a team without much offensive help. Also, he’s a RHS

 

[DigitalBoldy]

Okay when has Rossi shown any type of grinder, possession success? He doesn't PK, played mostly with skill players, and got heavy o-zone starts.

He's willing to go to the dirty areas at least.

When he played with Foligno at the start.

Zucc is not a grinder or puck possession guy. Johansson is maybe puck possession, but he just doesn’t play hard.

 

[Wabit]

When he played with Foligno at the start.

Zucc is not a grinder or puck possession guy. Johansson is maybe puck possession, but he just doesn’t play hard.

142 mins, 5gf /4ga Rossi + Foligno for the season. That adv stats don't have anything that stands out as saying it's anything special as a line. I even did a couple of break downs of the firs 5 and 10 games of the season and the stats are all just meh. Steel + Foligno last year was 5gf/4ga in 78 mins ToI as a comparison.

Rossi and Steel compare very well between this year and last. One was in and out of the pressbox and cut loose after the season.

51 mins 3gf/1ga MarJo + Foligno for the season. MarJo is not a grinder by any means, but these stats say he could be very good at it.