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57special said:
It would be Rossi, our 1st, a dump(don't ask me who) and another good prospect like Ohgren.
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Personally might move something like this for Matt Tkachuk, but not Brady Tkachuk. I'm not convinced that the difference in offensive production between Rossi and Brady, given similar usage and linemates, would be that different. Rossi might hover from 65-75, Brady from 75-85. Is that worth an additional 1st and prospect, along with the move from C to W? Not to me.

Getting a 100-110 point Matt Tkachuk though, that might be worth it.
 
Giving up on Öhgren right now, when he is showing steady progress? It's a no-no for me. Even right after the WJC I would have said no. Who knows, he might be a bust, but at this point I don't think so.
 
57special said:
It would be Rossi, our 1st, a dump(don't ask me who) and another good prospect like Ohgren.

Alternatively, Rossi + Wallstedt + dump(s).

Don't see it getting done from a financial aspect for us. I can see us being able to offer OTT something. They would want something like Rossi and Faber, which would be a non starter, for me, and again the $$ won't work out.
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Yeah, that would be a hard no for Upchuck Junior.
 
57special said:
It would be Rossi, our 1st, a dump(don't ask me who) and another good prospect like Ohgren.

Alternatively, Rossi + Wallstedt + dump(s).

Don't see it getting done from a financial aspect for us. I can see us being able to offer OTT something. They would want something like Rossi and Faber, which would be a non starter, for me, and again the $$ won't work out.
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Ya know, I think I would do Rossi+Wallstedt+dumps for Tkachuk and I like Wallstedt almost as much as I like Yurov. Tkachuk is someone I see as a difference maker when the playoffs hit. Just like his brother.
 
AKL said:
I already illustrated how this could easily be the case in a few years. Point remains, you or anyone else projecting Yurov as a can't miss 1C is not enough of a reason to go out and trade Rossi if you otherwise like what Rossi brings. Hence why, if Rossi is traded, it will be because Guerin no longer values what he brings over what the return would bring.

It's the same logic behind why we don't trade Eriksson Ek just because we want to project Yurov as a 1C. We like Ek's game, he's important to the future of this team. If Rossi had the same level of importance, and Guerin liked his game just as much, he would be given a long term deal, and not traded, as well. If Guerin didn't like what Ek brought to the team and didn't see it fitting here long term, Ek would have been traded.




Not really the same situation for a multitude of reasons
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I don’t put it as that much different of scenarios.

Eriksson Ek provides much more than Rossi does, which is why it would make sense to keep him over Rossi IF the GM would determine that room needs to be made for the guy putting up similar numbers to Kaprizov, Tarasenko, Panarin, etc.

I’m also not convinced Rossi is a long term 1C. I’m also not not convinced either.

I’m also not convinced Guerin is going to trade Rossi or even thinking about it.
 
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MNRube said:
If they were looking to trade Rossi, why would they tank his ability to showcase himself by flanking him with the Iowa Italians? Feels like an overreaction to The Athletic article.
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That’s called the Addison treatment. Next will be Rossi getting a healthy scratch to send a message to the team or some stupid shit.
 
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Digitalbooya said:
I don’t put it as that much different of scenarios.

Eriksson Ek provides much more than Rossi does, which is why it would make sense to keep him over Rossi IF the GM would determine that room needs to be made for the guy putting up similar numbers to Kaprizov, Tarasenko, Panarin, etc.

I’m also not convinced Rossi is a long term 1C. I’m also not not convinced either.

I’m also not convinced Guerin is going to trade Rossi or even thinking about it.
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We should keep as much center depth as possible, something tells me to have any chance at a cup we will need it, going to want a solid top 9. I would even keep Hartman as a backup center if we were running Yurov/Ek/Rossi in whatever order.
 
Oddly excited for Marat. When is the last time we had a C with wheels like that? And yes, I know he may start or stay on the wing. But either way, our team is dreadfully slow up front.
 
MrRuin said:
speed of execution yes...just plain wheels gets you nowhere if your head and your hands do not comply. The latter two are maybe even more important (hot take).
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Not a hot take. Zucker was fast (with a shot) but not much else. Boldy is slow but thinks the game fast and has incredible hands and his ceiling is higher than Zucker's ever was.

If you were making a tier list with hockey attributes, speed would be the bottom of the A or even top of B tier- really important enhancing attribute to have so long as you have the other traits in the A or S tier that speed enhances.
 
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AKL said:
Not a hot take. Zucker was fast (with a shot) but not much else. Boldy is slow but thinks the game fast and has incredible hands and his ceiling is higher than Zucker's ever was.

If you were making a tier list with hockey attributes, speed would be the bottom of the A or even top of B tier- really important enhancing attribute to have so long as you have the other traits in the A or S tier that speed enhances.
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Exactly. Look at Granlund's best years. He's never had speed, but his IQ was so good, he played way faster than Zucker ever could. That's why Zucker's penchant for trying a wraparound became a running joke. It's literally the only move he could even think of.

Playing fast has far less to do with skating fast than it does thinking fast with very good passing (both sending and receiving) skills and puck handling skills.
 
Conversely look what happens when a supremely smart player who processes the game at a high level loses his legs. Zucc has been rendered basically useless as his legs go regardless of how intelligent he is and how high his hockey Iq is.
 
f7ben said:
Conversely look what happens when a supremely smart player who processes the game at a high level loses his legs. Zucc has been rendered basically useless as his legs go regardless of how intelligent he is and how high his hockey Iq is.
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Conversely look what an extremely fast player who doesn't process the game as well loses his legs. Zucker was far more useless. 32 years old and looks more cooked than Zucc.

Processing the game well allows you to find success long past your physical abilities. That's why Zucc is still putting up points at 36+.

Gretzky... as a 37yro broken down old man with a bad back put up 90pts in the dead puck era. Not because of his legs, but because of his IQ.

High IQ players play well past their physical due date.
 
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TaLoN said:
Conversely look what an extremely fast player who doesn't process the game as well loses his legs. Zucker was far more useless. 32 years old and looks more cooked than Zucc.

Processing the game well allows you to find success long past your physical abilities. That's why Zucc is still putting up points at 36+.

Gretzky... as a 37yro broken down old man with a bad back put up 90pts in the dead puck era. Not because of his legs, but because of his IQ.

High IQ players play well past their physical due date.
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I don’t disagree
 
MNRube said:
Oddly excited for Marat. When is the last time we had a C with wheels like that? And yes, I know he may start or stay on the wing. But either way, our team is dreadfully slow up front.
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Dewar?


Speed, smarts, skill, vision, size, strength, toughness.... it all matters. Speed sure is a nice attribute to start with, though.
 
TaLoN said:
Conversely look what an extremely fast player who doesn't process the game as well loses his legs. Zucker was far more useless. 32 years old and looks more cooked than Zucc.

Processing the game well allows you to find success long past your physical abilities. That's why Zucc is still putting up points at 36+.

Gretzky... as a 37yro broken down old man with a bad back put up 90pts in the dead puck era. Not because of his legs, but because of his IQ.

High IQ players play well past their physical due date.
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Unless you are foppa.

 
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Digitalbooya said:
Not at all. Addison went down the lineup because he sucked. Rossi was moved to try and find any semblance of line chemistry amongst the bottom 9.
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Addition was pacing 45 points and was an effective pp quarterback and was serviceable as a sheltered 3rd pair dman. If they weren’t high on him they should have traded him while he was producing instead of burying him and making him worthless.

If you’re going to possibly trade Rossi because you don’t like his game why would you play him with 4th liners and diminish his value. The entire thing is nothing more than piss poor asset management by a GM that’s a petulant stubborn child without a cogent plan.
 
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57special said:
Dewar?


Speed, smarts, skill, vision, size, strength, toughness.... it all matters. Speed sure is a nice attribute to start with, though.
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dewar definitely has some wheels. But Marat should bring more speed and offensive IQ. I really think Haula will prove an accurate comp. Hopefully he ends up like the Nino-Haula-Pominville version. That Haula was a lot of fun to watch
 
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