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Player Discussion: Mikhail Sergachev - Part 2

Been ready to dump him tbh. The last game I thought he didn’t play well, but he got a goal so I didn’t say anything. He makes too many boneheaded mistakes. But then he’ll have flashes of brilliance.

Thing is, yeah, he’s still young. And if we do decide to dump him, who replaces him?
 
Coopers Gum said:
Been ready to dump him tbh. The last game I thought he didn’t play well, but he got a goal so I didn’t say anything. He makes too many boneheaded mistakes. But then he’ll have flashes of brilliance.

Thing is, yeah, he’s still young. And if we do decide to dump him, who replaces him?
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Dumping him doesn't make sense cause you're not going to get anyone immediate to replace the minutes. What needs to be done is making sure his next contract doesn't hurt the team, I feel like this is one JBB should really play hardball on, not ideal to move him but he's not untouchable.
 
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Would you guys be interested in Connor Murphy at all? He’s more of a stay at home shutdown D, second pairing guy. His contract $ and length would fit the bolts timeline.

Serg fits the hawks timeline more, and obviously could live with the growing pains.

Obviously not straight up, but what else would you want if he were even available?
 
Yeah I'm done. I still think we can come back and threepeat but this is just not worth it anymore. Like thanks for Game 5 vs NYR but it's been too few and far between with this guy. Hedman and McDonagh will have terrible games like once every 8-10 outings and are shining stars in elimination games. Sergachev in his bad stretches can barely go 8-10 shifts without doing something that makes me want to rip my hair out.

Phenomenal talent but it's not worth the investment anymore. He's not gonna be PP1, he's not gonna pass McDonagh, Hedman or Cernak in the depth chart and we've got Rutta and Bogosian making peanuts to play 20 minutes a night and do it better. If this is a case of someone who is a great talent who just frustrates the hell out of you and he's stuck behind a bunch of great players then let him prove himself in a place that has better opportunities.


See if Seattle will trade us Gourde @50% for him
 
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I wonder if gm’s ever see a player that they were of the fence about make a dumb play and that settles it for them that they’re getting traded. That must happen, right?
 
RussianGuyovich said:
Just lmao @ anyone thinking gourde would be scoring or making any difference at all right now.
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You seen our PK lately? Not only that but Killorn is freaking zip on the scoreboard, Cirelli is being tasked with a shutdown role and we roll 1 scoring line and have to pray someone else contributes. We need all the help we can get


We're literally trying to out-goaltend and out-defend our scoring problems
 
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These Are The Days said:
You seen our PK lately? Not only that but Killorn is freaking zip on the scoreboard, Cirelli is being tasked with a shutdown role and we roll 1 scoring line and have to pray someone else contributes. We need all the help we can get


We're literally trying to out-goaltend and out-defend our scoring problems
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Yeah. And gourde wouldn’t do shit either.

And he’s overpaid now.
 
Major4Boarding said:
I’m still in the see what we could possibly scrape out of LA camp.
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If Tampa could get Kaliyev in a deal for Serg, I'd be very interested. Most L.A. fans seem against that, but something around Roy or Bjornfot+a very talented wing prospect like Chromiak+1st for Serg+3rd or 4th seems reasonable.
 
RussianGuyovich said:
Yeah. And gourde wouldn’t do shit either.

And he’s overpaid now.
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Broseph. We have literally traded every player and pick and wasn't nailed down because we have/had a PK and depth scoring problem. Those 2 1st's for Hagel weren't for his contract because we thought we'd get a 20 goal scorer? And now Point is probably at like 50%. You really, REALLY don't think Gourde wouldn't be helping right now? Not even on the PK? Well damn. Then at least I proposed we trade for him at 50% salary? What does that make Killorn then? Harvard Boii literally has as many goals for us in the playoffs as Gourde does right now. We literally rolled into game 2 thinking "Let's just win 1-0" and sat there dumbstruck when it didn't work.

Sergachev is a talented player who makes boneheaded mistakes. My argument has never been anything else than otherwise than going forward, the Lightning categorically CAN NOT afford it anymore. We have WAY bigger problems than "He's only 23" and it's more like we're gonna be going on year 6 and he's no closer to passing McDonagh, Hedman and Cernak on the depth chart than on the day he started.
 
RussianGuyovich said:
Yeah. And gourde wouldn’t do shit either.

And he’s overpaid now.
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I agree Gourde wouldn't fix the team right now but you're joking it you think he's overpaid.

He had a pretty solid year playing on a D2 team. I'm willing to bet Cirelli never has a year like Gourde did.

Edit: confused myself with cirellis 9 goal season last year for this one. Still. Would wager a healthy amount he never touches the high Gourde did.
 
Master P said:
Who are you replacing him with?
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Thats not my endgame. I could live with him being here but if the idea is to raise his hit after this deal to over 5 with this play, we might need to find a guy capable of scoring more than once.

He has a role he's accepted and practiced. It's not entirely lateral as stamkos shot or kucherovs vision. You can mold Paul or Colton to fill the 3C role. Yeah our 3C might not win some selke votes but Colorado probably doesn't mind.

If he demands more than 5M, give the reigns to Colton. Maybe In a years time Colton can actually develop that side of his game.

I heard this line alllllll last year:

"Gourde costs too much for the 3rd line"

Yet are we going to say "He's young" and pay him 5M for less offense? That's crazy. You don't build a team paying third line centers 2nd line winger money. That's your depth/vet personnel.
 
Master P said:
Who are you replacing him with?
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Considering we have Bogosian and Rutta playing huge minutes for pennies compared to Sergachev, I don't think this is going to be the challenge the question makes it out to be. I don't have any problem with Serg. I have a problem that save for his amazing play mid-year, there's been little to no growth in him as a player for basically 2-3 years.

That future cap hit scares the shit out of me because we're already paying him based on potential he hasn't really (fully) lived up to. He has his moments. And then he has his moments. Like failing to clear the puck or shooting it out.
 
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These Are The Days said:
Considering we have Bogosian and Rutta playing huge minutes for pennies compared to Sergachev, I don't think this is going to be the challenge the question makes it out to be. I don't have any problem with Serg. I have a problem that save for his amazing play mid-year, there's been little to no growth in him as a player for basically 2-3 years.

That future cap hit scares the shit out of me because we're already paying him based on potential he hasn't really (fully) lived up to. He has his moments. And then he has his moments. Like failing to clear the puck or shooting it out.
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Yeah, there are guys that can be traded for/acquired for much less that while not as good as Serg, can adequately do the role of 3LD. If Serg takes 5.5-6, then they can make it work. Even 6.5 is difficult unless one of Cirelli or Cernak takes a better team discount, and if he asks for anything starting with a 7, let the bidding war begin.
 
JTBF81 said:
Yeah, there are guys that can be traded for/acquired for much less that while not as good as Serg, can adequately do the role of 3LD. If Serg takes 5.5-6, then they can make it work. Even 6.5 is difficult unless one of Cirelli or Cernak takes a better team discount, and if he asks for anything starting with a 7, let the bidding war begin.
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The thing is I'm just frustrated as shit that this is all we get from him. Guyovich, Master P and others defending Sergachev are all absolutely right. But I don't think the Lightning can (literally and figuratively) afford to hold out any longer for their return on investment. There's only 5 more possible games the Lightning can play this year. That's it. The sample size is over. I was hoping to see a remarkable improvement from Sergachev and save for an amazing mid-year stretch I'm just not seeing it. Any team would be patient but again. I don't think the Lightning can afford it.


This is a "dark side of business" talk with my frustration boiling over. I can be as frustrated as I want or as happy as I want and I cannot make the numbers work for all the offensive issues we have that came at the expense of Goodrow, Coleman and even Johnson.
 
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