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Mike Richards IV: Started From The Bottom, Still Here *MOD WARNING Post #194*

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It may end up being that the expansion draft is the way to get rid of Richards' contract. Certainly he wouldn't be protected and a team at the bottom of everything projected to be ass for the first several years would certainly take a flier I would think. So I guess, if you want Richards gone, pray for Las Vegas!
 
Mike Richards has 5 goals, 10 assists, and is a -9 this season while winning less than 50% of his faceoffs. How much "BETTER" is he going to be with a winger that can finish?

The Kings can dump Richards and Stoll (how they dump Richards doesn't matter to me) and hopefully trade an NHL defenseman for a #3C that will contribute offensively and not be a liability defensively.

Most teams will deal a #3 center for a defenseman the caliber of Martinez, Muzzin, or Voynov.

If I was Dean I would be looking for guys that are still young, with size, that have some upside.

Also, Richards has been okay in the last 3 games. He hasn't made a huge difference.
 
Bandit said:
It may end up being that the expansion draft is the way to get rid of Richards' contract. Certainly he wouldn't be protected and a team at the bottom of everything projected to be ass for the first several years would certainly take a flier I would think. So I guess, if you want Richards gone, pray for Las Vegas!
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I think we'll lose a D or Jones.
 
Bandit said:
I'm not up on recent expansion draft rules but I'd expect if there were a draft we'd lose more than one guy.
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They have always to my knowledge been you can only lose 1 guy if it was a 1 team draft. And if it was 2 teams you could lose 2 but only 1 D or goalie the other would have to be a F.
 
haha, can you imagine?

"we'll take 1/3 of the Kings please."

I don't know that they've updated anything since last go-round but as I recall with others they're not getting more than one player from us. Kiss a d-man goodbye.
 
tsanuri said:
They have always to my knowledge been you can only lose 1 guy if it was a 1 team draft. And if it was 2 teams you could lose 2 but only 1 D or goalie the other would have to be a F.
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For the Predators, you are right:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_NHL_Expansion_Draft

The Predators were to select 26 players, one from each of the 26 existing franchises at the time of the draft.

First- and second-year pros were exempt from being selected in the draft. Each of the 26 franchises in the league were allowed to protect either one goaltender, five defensemen and nine forwards or two goaltenders, three defensemen and seven forwards.

Of the unprotected players, each franchise had to include at least one forward and one defenseman who appeared in 40 games in the 1997–98 season. Each franchise also had to include at least one goaltender who appeared in 10 games in the 1997–98 season, and a minimum of 25 games since the 1995–96 season.
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We lost Frederic Chabot in the draft, but where we really screwed up is we traded Roman Vopat and some scrub named Kimmo Timonen to Nashville for future considerations. Those futures were so Nashville would agree to not take the might Garry Galley, who was 36 at the time and only was a King for one more year and was out of the NHL two years after the expansion draft.
 
KINGS17 said:
Mike Richards has 5 goals, 10 assists, and is a -9 this season while winning less than 50% of his faceoffs. How much "BETTER" is he going to be with a winger that can finish?
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You really can't see the plays Richards has been setting up for Clifford/Nolan/Lewis the last 3 games? It's a joke watching those 3 fire pucks wide or miss the puck all together.

Probably best to get rid of Richards.... he's a set up guy on a team that can't hit an empty net. Just get some more scrubs. :laugh:
 
Richards had ample opportunity to play with guys like Carter, Toffoli, Pearson, Williams, and Brown over the last couple of seasons. That is undeniable.

Sutter decided that the Kings are better off as a team with Kopitar and Carter down the middle.

What's funny is how much better guys like Nolan and Clifford looked once they were playing with a center that could skate better than Richards, and was more responsible in his own end. Three games doesn't make me trust his game going forward into next season. We'll see how it goes the rest of the way.
 
No thanks to Brodziak.

I'd rather see DL pursue the likes of Soderberg, Eller, or even nabbing Sobotka from wherever he's playing.

I always wondered if Cody Hodgson could turn it around here with the excellent coaches, trainers, and great guys around him...
 
KINGS17 said:
Richards had ample opportunity to play with guys like Carter, Toffoli, Pearson, Williams, and Brown over the last couple of seasons. That is undeniable.

Sutter decided that the Kings are better off as a team with Kopitar and Carter down the middle.

What's funny is how much better guys like Nolan and Clifford looked once they were playing with a center that could skate better than Richards, and was more responsible in his own end. Three games doesn't make me trust his game going forward into next season. We'll see how it goes the rest of the way.
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Well in all fairness Sutter's decision making has got this team one of the worst OT/Shootout records, and about a 50:50 shot at missing the playoffs... With the 18th ranked offense... Which I guess is a huge improvement over last years 26th ranked offense. :laugh: You just look at Sutter's inability to generate offense and look at how Richards/Pearson/Toffoli have been treated... or Gaborik/Kopitar playing with Lewis and you can find the answer.

Clifford/Nolan look better with a grinder because they understand that game.... It's why they look out of place when they move up into the top 6.... Also Richards makes them look bad by putting the puck on their sticks so that everyone can see them blow the chances.

Minnesota coming up big for the Kings tonight!!! Kings need the help making the playoffs... :help: Guess I just don't believe that this is a fringe playoff team...

Edit: An amusing thought experiment is to go over to the Canucks board and look up their lineup, then try and combine that lineup with the fact that they are a playoff team sitting comfortably in second in the Pacific while the Kings are fighting to get into the playoffs with their lineup. Personally I think the Kings lineup is way better then what the Canucks are rolling... There seems to be something here that isn't adding up...

Also the Canucks are running Vey as their 3C.... That's right... Vey, who requested a trade after being scratched by Sutter for Colin Fraser, is the 3C for a playoff team with a better record then the Kings... Not sure what that means....
 
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You're using Vey as an example? I'll tell you what it means, Sutter has forgotten more than you will ever know.

Keep indicting Sutter's coaching ability though, it really helps you in the formation of your arguments.
 
Vey was traded because of Nick Shore, Lombardi didn't have trade Vey anywhere (he was still under contract).

The Kings screwed up Vey trying to make him a Center, the guy is a Winger through and through.

The Canucks are making the same mistake.
 
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Edit: An amusing thought experiment is to go over to the Canucks board and look up their lineup, then try and combine that lineup with the fact that they are a playoff team sitting comfortably in second in the Pacific while the Kings are fighting to get into the playoffs with their lineup. Personally I think the Kings lineup is way better then what the Canucks are rolling... There seems to be something here that isn't adding up...

Also the Canucks are running Vey as their 3C.... That's right... Vey, who requested a trade after being scratched by Sutter for Colin Fraser, is the 3C for a playoff team with a better record then the Kings... Not sure what that means....
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Read the Canucks board and read what they think of Vey. You think much more highly of his abilities than they do.

Now consider the organizational depth. Shore is already better and can clear waivers. Our core players are signed long term and spots open up when they open up.

Now also remember that Vey asked for a chance to play in the NHL. The Kings did the honorable thing and traded him.

You bring up the standings? Really?

This team has won two cups in three years as an 8th seed and a 6th seed, in 2013 they were a 5th seed.
The Canucks are overachieving and are filling the void the Sharks left.
 
Reclamation Project said:
Vey is a gigantic scapegoat in Vancouver.
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The Kid doesn't deserve it, his skill set is that of a pure winger. Both the Canucks/Kings have ruined him trying to make him play Center.

The guy doesn't have the skill set to do so, at the NHL level. (I would gather/speculate)Lombardi/Futa spotted this at the NHL level, and promptly filled Vey's request of a Trade.

Back on topic.

Richards has been fine for three games, Production will come if he continues to set up Lewis ETC whoever, with point blank shots. Those type of plays are bound to burn a goalie eventually.
 
Bad Will Hunting said:
You bring up the standings? Really?
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Yup... it's about results... the Canucks are the better team according to the standings... on paper not so much.

Good to hear all this feed back on Vey and that he's getting so much hate from the Canucks fans. At the end of the day he is still the 3C on a playoff team that Sutter wouldn't play over Fraser, who was waived later that season. It's not that Vey is great... it's that he's a serviceable player on a playoff team. Really what else do you want from a guy in his first full year.

Where Vey comes into play with regards to Richards is we have seen Sutter bench a serviceable player for Fraser. Now we are seeing something similar with Richards. The difference is that Richards will have a 10 year cap penalty from a buyout or a 2M for 5 year penalty.

I really can't wait to see Richards traded with salary retained and then play well for another team while the Kings pay part of his salary for 5 years. As much as none of you want to admit it... it is a scenario as recently as last year, this year it will sting a little more is all.
 
He had a great pass the other night when he was going behind the net that went between a defender's legs and then went right out in front of Halak. He's had a couple like that so far, but no one's buried them.
 
It's about results...

Sutter = 10 playoff series wins, 1 playoff series loss since his arrival.

Yet he doesn't know where to play Mike Richards for the team's benefit?
 
KINGS17 said:
Keep indicting Sutter's coaching ability though, it really helps you in the formation of your arguments.
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Ok this should probably have it's own thread. I'm just going to throw a few out there.

Unacceptable Sutter records...

2-28 in the shootout.... it's cool the team has plenty of points for a playoff cushion and can afford to throw away points in the standings. The best part of watching the Kings throw up 3 goose eggs in a row was Quick was stopping 2 to 3 of the other teams first shooters during that stretch.

Not 100% on this one... if the Kings make the playoffs this year they'll be the first team to do so after being 5 points out of the playoffs at the end of February.... haven't checked this one... think I read it.... That's just great!!! Well it will be helped out by Gio getting injured to finally allow the Kings to catch them.

Most games played to make the SCF.... ok 7 against the Ducks/Hawks... ok those were though series.... pulling off the reverse sweep against the Sharks, and showing that the Kings could have wrapped that series up in 4 games. 5-6 games would have been cool... whose fault was it Nolan was on the 2nd line to start that series? Who was caught completely unprepared? 7 elimination games? Really?

This has been a crap season... but the Kings would still be sitting fine in the standings if they actually addressed the shootout/4v4 in OT and weren't at or near league worst.... the shootout/OT is especially egregious because the Kings defensive system should give rise to a larger number of tight games.... which in turn could give rise to a large number of OT games.... Nope... no reason to stress the shootout... keep throwing Greene out there 4v4... Shootout may be gone next year, but could mean the difference between making the playoffs and not this year.

Sutter can do better.
 
Unacceptable Sutter records...

2-28 in gimmick hockey. I suppose it is Sutter's fault though that guys like Kopitar, Carter, etc. can't score a goal in a friggin shootout this season to save their lives.

Acceptable Sutter records...

10-1 in real hockey.
 
Really don't see any improvement to be honest. Maybe some more offense but that's it. It really is the end of the line for his career. Sutter put a lot of trust into this guy all these years and even this year because he is a great leader, but he hasn't made a difference this season. Time for him to retire (even though it's bad for us). He's had a great career and a crazy number of accomplishments. Maybe we can send him to the IIHF WC this year so he can have a chance at one more trophy. Him and Brown (:help:) have always been my favorite players (I lean towards Richards a little more because I am also a centre). I am grateful for the two cups he helped us win.

I feel "sorry" for what he has become, but then again, he already made a ton of money while the rest of us slave away everyday making 1-2% what he will ever make.
 
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