Mike Richards IV: Started From The Bottom, Still Here *MOD WARNING Post #194*

[Trolfoli]

Another way to visualize what a 2M cap hit from trading Richards means is swapping out Regehr for Forbort/Schultz for the season.

 

[kingsfan]

Kings would probably be smart to sign a #7 guy who doesn't mind sitting rather than letting a kid like Forbort sit all year. I think McNabb is proving he is a solid player.

Your first applicant

 

[KINGS17]

I don't know where to find the answer, but some have suggested that Forbort won't be waiver exempt next year.

According to this website:

http://www.mcsorleys-stick.com/la-kings-reserve-list/

Derek Forbort is waiver exempt for one more season. Forbort's waiver exempt status ends on July 1, 2016.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Forgot about Schultz...and that's good news on Forbort.

The Kings could move one of Martinez or Voynov (if found not guilty and allowed back) and then re-sign RR to a 1 year deal so they have 3 stay at home D-men and 3 puck movers and then when RR's deal expires, bring Forbort up in 2016.

Doughty-Muzzin
RR-Voynov/Sekera
Greene-McNabb

 

[The Butcher]

I think Kings17 needs to understand that the Kings have a hard enough time making the playoffs that taking any cap penalty (buyout/retained salary) isn't really going to help the team accomplish that goal.

None of this really matters as the Kings current level of play is not up to the playoff level. About the only way I see the team making the second round is getting a match up with Vancouver in the first. Wait... Brown/Stoll/Williams are finally going to show up this year!!!!

About enlightening people as to where to fit Richards into the line up for max benefit of the team... wasn't the reported reason the Richards trade fell through was that he'd been skating 10 mins a night and his conditioning that he worked on this Summer was shot because of it.... Gee it would have been better for the Kings and Richards to put him in a better situation... at which point he could have been moved... The situation the Kings are in right now is much better then that. I mean the cap space to bring in a winger at the deadline that's better then Lewis for the first line would have been huge. (I don't hate Lewis, it isn't his fault Sutter plays him on the first line)

In the event the Kings miss the playoffs I want to see the, "WIN NOW!" peoples heads explode.

I don't even know where to start with this. You want to be right about all this just so people who have confidence in the team "heads explode"?

You're not only wrong but a little sadistic as well. The Kings can and will "win now".

 

[bob77]

According to this website:

http://www.mcsorleys-stick.com/la-kings-reserve-list/

Derek Forbort is waiver exempt for one more season. Forbort's waiver exempt status ends on July 1, 2016.

That's correct. Some assumed his 10 games or so when he came out of college counted as a season, but he played all those on a Amatuer tryout contract, which didn't count.

 

[bob77]

Another way to visualize what a 2M cap hit from trading Richards means is swapping out Regehr for Forbort/Schultz for the season.

FORBORT can be moved back and forth next season, and with the team in Ontario that could be likely. He would never really sit anywhere. If the Kings have him up, it will be to play, and he won't sit in Ontario either. It just makes managing the whole thing a lot easier with a drive down the freeway.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

FORBORT can be moved back and forth next season, and with the team in Ontario that could be likely. He would never really sit anywhere. If the Kings have him up, it will be to play, and he won't sit in Ontario either. It just makes managing the whole thing a lot easier with a drive down the freeway.

I actually imagine we'll see a lot more callups/cups of coffee with both the team so close as well as the team's cap status next year. Exciting times for both. I'll try to be a bit of a fan/scout as well as I'm trying to save for season seats!

Have to imagine this situation wouldn't have as much impact on Richards though if they just sent him down the 10

 

[kingsfan]

Btw, TSN last night was reporting from the GM meetings and McKenzie or Dreger, forget which, said that if the 5% inflator is used, the cap will between 71 and 73 million next season.

 

[KINGS17]

It's very unlikely that the NHLPA will vote to implement the inflator again. When the inflator is implemented it increases the salary cap and UFAs get better deals, but it also increases the amount withheld in escrow for the players that are already under contract.

We'll see what the NHLPA does, I guess.

 

[tsanuri]

Btw, TSN last night was reporting from the GM meetings and McKenzie or Dreger, forget which, said that if the 5% inflator is used, the cap will between 71 and 73 million next season.

I haven't heard as high as 73M in sometime. The reports I've read are saying 71-72M with the escalator.
But I saw this which was very interesting.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/friedman-cap-inflation-not-just-players/

So, here’s an interesting turn of events: what happens if the players vote not to inflate the salary cap by five per cent for 2015-16? Can the league say, “No worries, we’ll do it even if you don’t want to?â€

The answer is: it’s possible.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

That IS interesting, particularly with so many teams in tight. can only imagine a handful of teams that would oppose such a thing...but like the article says, what a world in which the NHL would want to raise the cap and the players wouldn't (due to escrow)

 

[kingsfan]

It's very unlikely that the NHLPA will vote to implement the inflator again. When the inflator is implemented it increases the salary cap and UFAs get better deals, but it also increases the amount withheld in escrow for the players that are already under contract.

We'll see what the NHLPA does, I guess.

Yep, it will be interesting. They get some/all of the escrow back if league revenues prove to be at or higher than what was forecast though, right? I'm unclear on how/when they get a portion/all of that back.

 

[kingsfan]

I haven't heard as high as 73M in sometime. The reports I've read are saying 71-72M with the escalator.
But I saw this which was very interesting.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/friedman-cap-inflation-not-just-players/

I'm just going off memory, maybe Dreger/Bobby Mac did say $72 million. I thought he said $73 million as a high water mark though, but I could be wrong.

 

[KINGS17]

Yep, it will be interesting. They get some/all of the escrow back if league revenues prove to be at or higher than what was forecast though, right? I'm unclear on how/when they get a portion/all of that back.

Yeah, the escrow thing is way too complicated to figure out, especially when it's not your money.

 

[tsanuri]

I'm just going off memory, maybe Dreger/Bobby Mac did say $72 million. I thought he said $73 million as a high water mark though, but I could be wrong.

I thought I had seen a tweet from him and found it.

 

[Trolfoli]

http://lakingsinsider.com/2015/03/22/richards-recalled-practices-with-team/

I know there's the "He's Back" thread... but this one can't just die...

Seems like a desperation move... Someone may be afraid of missing the playoffs...

 

[Telos]

Maybe a little as there are hopes that he adds a spark, some energy, and a sense of urgency, but I would think it is a logical move with Stoll out and Shore still developing and getting manhandled. Richards is the next best center we have, and the primary reason he was down in the first place was money, now that that is a non-issue and Stoll is out, it makes no sense for him not to be out there.

 

[Ron*]

It's very unlikely that the NHLPA will vote to implement the inflator again. When the inflator is implemented it increases the salary cap and UFAs get better deals, but it also increases the amount withheld in escrow for the players that are already under contract.

We'll see what the NHLPA does, I guess.

Going to disagree here. The pending UFAs are going to want their cake, and they are going to point to the fact that they voted for the inflator to be activated the previous season so that those UFAs would get their cake.

They all wanted their cake. Now, they are going to have to eat it.

 

[KINGS17]

Going to disagree here. The pending UFAs are going to want their cake, and they are going to point to the fact that they voted for the inflator to be activated the previous season so that those UFAs would get their cake.

They all wanted their cake. Now, they are going to have to eat it.

I don't believe the majority of NHLPA members will agree with you, but apparently the owners can also institute the inflator, so we'll see. The players with long term contracts are tired of seeing a good chunk of their paychecks go into escrow.

 

[kingsfan]

I don't believe the majority of NHLPA members will agree with you, but apparently the owners can also institute the inflator, so we'll see. The players with long term contracts are tired of seeing a good chunk of their paychecks go into escrow.

But have they been getting some/all back?

 

[KINGS17]

But have they been getting some/all back?

Not always. The latest figures seem to be from the 2011-2012 season.

http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/9...ange-escrow-rate-20-percent-according-sources

2005-06: The net result was that each player earned 104.64 percent of his 2005-06 contract (includes the shortfall and interest). Players' share was 54 percent of HRR.

2006-07: The net result was that each player earned 97.51 percent of his 2006-07 contract. Players' share was 55.6 percent of HRR.

2007-08: The net result was that each player earned 100.66 percent of his 2007-08 contract. Players' share was 56.7 percent of HRR.

2008-09: The net result was that each player earned 87.12 percent of his 2008-09 contract. Players' share was 56.73 percent of HRR.

2009-10: The net result was that each player earned 90.59 percent of his 2009-10 contract. Players' share was 57 percent of HRR.

2010-11: The net result was that each player earned 97.7 percent of his 2010-11 contract. Players' share was 57 percent of HRR.

2011-12: The net result was that each player earned 99.48 percent of his 2011-12 contract. They got back just under 8 percent of the 8.5 percent they paid in escrow during the year. Players' share was 57 percent of HRR.

Remember that now the players' share is 50% of the hockey related revenues.

Then, there is this.

http://www.tsn.ca/upset-over-escrow-nhl-players-consider-move-to-limit-salary-cap-s-climb-1.190027

“Given that the value of player contracts is, and has remained, less than the full face value of their contracts over the last few seasons, players will certainly discuss over the next few months whether to continue to maintain the five per cent growth factor every year,” NHLPA spokesman Jonathan Weatherdon wrote in an e-mailed statement. “This will allow the executive board to make its decision with the benefit of a full discussion of the issues by the players."

There’s a real chance players next summer will vote down the five per cent escalator, which, combined with the plummeting Canadian dollar, could mean a salary cap that peaks at closer to $70 million.

 

[kingsfan]

Not always. The latest figures seem to be from the 2011-2012 season.

http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/9...ange-escrow-rate-20-percent-according-sources



Remember that now the players' share is 50% of the hockey related revenues.

Then, there is this.

http://www.tsn.ca/upset-over-escrow-nhl-players-consider-move-to-limit-salary-cap-s-climb-1.190027

So in other words they usually get at least a portion of the escrow back?

 

[damacles1156]

The Kings Center play over the last seven games or so has been terrible.

What do they have to lose bringing up Richards ? Nothing really.

 

[kingsfan28]

The Kings Center play over the last seven games or so has been terrible.

What do they have to lose bringing up Richards ? Nothing really.

Exactly. Sutter said it himself last night they have not gotten anything from the bottom centers in 25 games other than 1 goal. Right now, especially with Stoll out hes our best option.